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See what I mean Corto?

Incidents like that let stupidity crawl out of its caves.

no mans taxes should go to feed and clothe murderers better than the poor of the nation eat and dress.

http://ejusa.org/learn/cost

-The most rigorous cost study in the country found that a single death sentence in Maryland costs almost $2 million more than a comparable non-death penalty case. Maryland spent $186 million extra to carry out just five executions.1

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This is of course, the USA's death penalty cost, but seeing you're american....

What's Maryland?

An efficient way to kill people is a bullet to the head. It costs around 200.000 to buy a box of 100 bullets. And 100 bullets, let's be generous to give 2 to each person, those 100 bullets can kill 50 people. And it costs 40.000 to kill each person...less than 1 USD.

Just how many executions is this Maryland pulling off? And how many golden bullets is it buying?

Also, myhand, that was quite a rude comment. I'll try to speak from a third party view here, death penalty may or may not be the right way to go, but it doesn't allow you to dismiss arguments as "stupidity crawiling out of its caves". At least Lawlz gave some argument, instead of the "I'm too smart for your likes" argument.

Yeah, but that isn't "humane". (US uses lethal injection these days). I would rather be shot in my sleep than killed with an injection that:
1 I know is coming
2 I know is going to kill me

Humane is not deserved for inhumane people. Killing is not humane in the first place.

It's not the cost of the execution that is why the death penalty is so expensive, but the many rounds of appeals. There is also mounting evidence that lethal injections are not really all that humane (though I'm not sure there really is a humane way to kill someone).

And while myhand was rather rude, his general point does hold - people do use events like this as an excuse for hatred and intolerance.

What's Maryland?

One of the 50 states of the United States of America.

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An efficient way to kill people is a bullet to the head.

Efficient, and yet immoral for the average American.

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It costs around 200.000 to buy a box of 100 bullets.

http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-45-acp-ammo-45acp230fmjmbi-100

100 rounds of .45 ACP ammunition for $37.75

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Just how many executions is this Maryland pulling off?

Five (5) executions

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Killing is not humane in the first place.

The death penalty varies by state, but these are the crimes punishable by death:


-Intentional murder with 18 aggravating factors

-First-degree murder, including pre-meditated murder and felony murder, accompanied by at least 1 of 14 aggravating factors

-Capital murder

-Sabotage

-Train wrecking causing death

-Treason

-Perjury causing execution of an innocent person

-Fatal assault by a prisoner serving a life sentence

-First-degree kidnapping resulting in death

-Felony murder

-Capital drug trafficking

-Capital sexual battery

The list goes on and on, but you can see a full list in detail here: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/crimes-punishable-death-penalty

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@Myhand:

You noticed I was not aggressive with you. I am very rarely on the forum but I can't sleep well tonite.
I was ok yesterday. Today I have a hangover. And I was curious to read the WL community view about what happened in France yesterday.

If I took time to answer you Myhand, it was because I know we can speak to each other. You usually seem to understand things. You are so much interesting when you take time to explain yourself and even to explain things to the others. Don't blame ignorance. If you decide to answer to somebody. Do it properly or do not. Teach them if necessary. This is your burden I guess.

Anyway thx for your last post. It makes things clear. The idea in your first post is typically something Cabu or Wolinski could have drawn by themselves. You still have to learn you can't bring any perspective to blind people though.

Sincerely yours.

Ah Myhand, I now see your viewpoint crystal clear, and I now side with you that we should go out of our way to disrespect the dead. Charlie Hebdo was clearly an antagonistic terrorist who deserved to die. Oh wait. You didn't even know who he was.

Anyway, you're an utter fool for calling me a "brainwashed misinformed stereotype of your society". For God's sake, the only thing that I'm trying to say is that the wrongly killed have the right to our respect, and I am upset when someone like you infringes upon that right. Anyway, through your biased, spineless arguments you've proven to me and a whole bunch of other people on this forum that your nothing but a washed-up hippie with a vocabulary.

And to your final comment: Yes this is an open forum. And yes you can utilize that freedom in any way you please, even if that means lashing out at others for little to no reason. But just because this is an open forum doesn't make being a jerk any more ethical or acceptable. I know your first instinct will be to respond to this in an affected spiel that runs in circles without actually saying anything at all (as you typically do), but you can spare the words this time. Instead just take a moment to read and internalize the arguments that other people have.

I don't think that there should be a definitive set of crimes that should warrant the death penalty. Life is the most precious gift that any person is given, and we should not toy with it. There are, of course, a very few people who are so criminally powerful or insane that society is not safe with them in front of or behind bars. Although it has been corrupted over millenia, the justice system's fundamental purpose is to ensure the safety and security of the general masses, and, although death is a sad and heavy topic, it is a necessary punishment for the filthiest scum of the human race.

I like Жұқтыру's saying, and I'll modify it to say:

Humanity is a right for all except the inhumane.

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Efficient, and yet immoral for the average American.

There in lies the problem with America, specifically that attitude in their Foreign Policy.

It is immoral to kill a convicted rapist/murderer. It is a crime against humanity to shoot a serial killer.
However, it is moral to not condemn drone strikes. It is moral to any country they want, at anytime with any reason that they damn well pleased simply because they can, all the while preaching Self-Determination and Freedom and Equality. I agree, not all Americans share that attitude. But their government, their elected officials and their representatives act with such impunity that it is evident those who oppose it are clearly a minority.

I agree, not all Americans share that attitude. But their government, their elected officials and their representatives

It is shameful that our nation is full of sheeple, but we are not a direct democracy. The people choose Congress (Senate/House of Rep.) directly yes, but Congress chooses our president. One can not put full blame on the people for every decision made by the government.

Guys, don't blame Myhand for making his point, because the Paris massacre is all about the freedom of thought and of speech we're fortunate enough to enjoy in the countries we live in.

He is entitled to speak his mind, even if he makes fun of what I feel and wrote in the heat of the horrific news in his 1st message,even if he opposes -a bit along the harsh way if I may say- someone who disagrees with him in his 2nd message.

I may think different, his point may even hurt what I believe or feel, I stand for his right to express himself.

Now to make my point clearer, I admit I grieve more for these 12 than for the thousands dying every day all around the world. Simply because they are countrymen and, for us french, a very symbol of democracy.
That doesn't mean I don't "give a f***" about the others, especially when they die by the hands of our armed forces.

One can not put full blame on the people for every decision made by the government.

One would expect Americans to learn by now after nearly a century of mucking up internationally.

I will give you an example. The GOP and George W. Bush entered Iraq as they pleased, how they pleased. They tore a country apart, single-handedly destabilized an already volatile region and introduced an alien concept ( Democracy ) all the while calling upon God and Man to watch upon the righteousness of their actions.

Fast forward to a decade later. The USA is in war debt, their international reputation tarnished ( not that it was pristine to begin with )Iraq lies in shreds of what it was. There is no democracy there is no rule of law there is no effective leadership. IS or whatever those terrorists call themselves now reign free and the whole region is at risk of implosion.

Now I am not condoning the Ba'ath Parthy and Saddam Hussein. He was a textbook dictator who was brutal. However, he was what kept the region at a balance ( Not in the truest sense as he waged war but he kept extremism in check )

Logic dictates that the American People learn a lesson. That they make the leaders who caused such mayhem cower in shame. Leaders who skewered the lives of tens of millions. Leaders who indirectly allowed a dangerous false Jihadist group to rise. But what do the Americans do ? They make their President a lame-duck and allow the Republicans a majority in both houses of Parliament.

That is but one example. Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, South America, Latin America and Africa are all untouched.

I agree Ehrmantraut, but unfortunately, Americans get less intelligent with each generation instead of improving on the past like we should be. Obama is a major problem as is the Republican majority, and we need reform. France at least sees an issue and does the right thing (so far). Innocent people died, the country mourned and I haven't heard of anyone taking advantage of the situation to push their own agenda.

Agreed. The French seem to honor their fallen in a united concise manner. A true example of unity over self-promotion.

@ Julius : That's where you are wrong. These assholes are most likely going to die in an explosive show down with the police, die as martyrs, which not only will make them happy, but will also convey an image of couragous rebels fighting and dying for their cause. This will make them immortal and will help greatly the recruiting of young jihadist.

It would be far better to get them alive and show them for what they really are, dumb fucks who got brain washed and have actually no clue of what islam is. Then let them rot in a tiny cell for the rest of their lives. Killing them is way too glamorous. They are not martyrs, just murderers.

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edit: ignore this

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I cannot ignore your post, for I have seen it and will continue to acknowledge that you removed a post that may/may not have had significance. Good day :p