First off, my condolences to the families of the killed journalists and policeman. Obviously the killing of anyone regardless of any circumstance is deplorable, and this was indeed a barbaric act, and should be condemned in the strongest manner.

However, I don't agree with people who say "extremist" killed them. Compared to their prophet Muhammad, these shooters are very mild.
Just like there is no such thing as "extreme nazi's" there is no such thing as "extreme moslims".

Muslims believe that Muhammad was God's messenger and that the example of his life, or Sunna, should be followed by all in order to merit heaven.
Just a few facts about the man that every muslims see as their great example:

• Muhammad killed many Many people and many more died by Muhammad's order.
  
• Muhammad had over 20 wives and even married a nine-year-old girl.
  
• Muhammad owend manny (sex)slaves.
  
• Muhammad enslaved manny children and women(and sold most=human trafficking and kept some for own use)
  
• Muhammad said women were 1/2 as smart as men (Hadith 3:826; 2:541), that the majority in hell will be women (Had. 1:28,301; 2:161; 7:124), and that women could be mortgaged.

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Myhand:

I don't mean to lessen the significance of the lives of Pakistanis, Yemenis, or others, but would you really stoop so low as to accuse someone of mourning the loss of their countrymen? I find what happened yesterday very saddening and disturbing, but you don't need to bring in another context once again about how the US is a hateful, thoughtless nation. Those thoughts, right or wrong, hold absolutely no relevance here. Please keep your spiteful, America-hating comments to your own threads, I see nothing wrong with a thread devoted to mourning the loss of innocents.

TO all others: This thread is not a place for debate, it is a place for mourning the loss of innocent journalists. Please keep your arguments to one of the other threads. That is all I ask.

My thoughts are with the friends and families of those lost.

Je Suis Charlie

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I am pretty sure that you are oblivious to the relevance of my posting.
You are so simple minded that you don't even see the contradiction of your own post.

But since I know that you are just a brainwashed misinformed stereotype of your society, I know fully well that breastfeeding the relevance to you would not only require a two pages long explanation, but also that the outcome wouldn't be certain as well, since there is a good possibility that your lifelong indoctrination and bias would lead to rejecting any reason nonetheless.

So let me tell you only one thing. This is an open thread on an open forum and not some article on a moderated mainstream news site. And you are no moderator with any claims on what is happening here whatsoever, but just some low level punk acting important.
So if you want to spill your hypocrisy all over it, be my guest. But stop interfering with my expression of this free speech illusion you are so eagerly defending in your solidarity with Charlie.

Wow myhand, way to be a dick

Myhand,

You're so right and so wrong at the same time. How is it possible?

You show yourself as a troll by ignorance of what Charlie was. That would take an entire life to explain you why I guess. You just don't know when you have to remain silent.

The Charlie Hebdo guys were drawing for free speech. In that you're very welcome to give your view. You're even very interesting to read. Often.

Your first post was in the Charlie's spirit (somehow).

But what makes you boring is your propensity for not being funny but disrespectful to others (your second post). By others I mean Master Arc. Not Charlie Hebdo.

Charlie was funny. And was even more... This is what you miss and why you're off-topic today.

either way, I pray for the families of those killed in cold blood for their exercising the right of free expression under the french constitution. I also pray that these murderers don't get to live to a trial. they deserve nothing more than to be killed like the cowards they are. Honestly the world is falling to shit and its every bodies fault. Muslim extremists kill for their religion, expecting to convert the world or die trying, yet they mostly just die trying. If you ask me I think its time we cracked out the square bullets again and start killing terrorists that a way. cant really heal a gunshot wound from square bullet, they rip ya apart. those murderous bastards don't deserve better anyways.

No death sentence in France. That would be a stepbackwards.

Death would only make them a martyr for their cause, right? I say just let them live and rot in prison

Corto, I don't know Charlie Hebdo.
I am a great fan of the German satirical counterpart "Titanic" and the first thing they did, was making fun of the incident. They are also the ones putting things into perspective while the rest of the western mainstream media is running amok again, with people like Le Pen already crying for the death penalty in France or the living room racist movement PEGIDA in Germany feeling themselves justified.

I am fully aware of what a black day this has been, for a multitude of reasons, number one being innocent people dying. Beyond that people who I assume (I can only assume, since I don't really know Charlie) stood for what you said, an pluralistic, open and non racist non violent society, all the things I like to see myself standing for. People that formed the magazine that , if it was remotely like the german "Titanic" formed a pillar of democracy within the french society.
I am not oblivious to the fact that it has been a black day beyond that, lightening the fuses of islamists and islamophopes alike, both parties being pumped up by the incident and who will do anything to drive the wedge of alienation further into our most fragile societies. I am also aware that this will mark again a poster for coming "necessary sacrifises" of civic liberties we have to endure by the disconnected governments of ours, that only serve the needs of the financial and industrial elites and not the people.
Don't think I don't see that.
Don't think I wasn't shocked by the footage of the two gunmen that was all over the internet.
I was shocked.
But I was also shocked by the daily terror we don't have to see in the media, because our media has no interest in showing it to us and maybe there lies the difference between us. The countless innocents dying daily by the hands of illegal state actions with the drones being only one example of many. Those people have their "Charlie Hebdo" incident every fucking day.

So my intention wasn't to make fun of it. My intention was an attempt of a little bit of perspective.

the death penalty is no step backwards, no mans taxes should go to feed and clothe murderers better than the poor of the nation eat and dress. you want them in jail? fine, how about you throw them in some dank dark hole in the ground and give them stale bread and water. thats jail.

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See what I mean Corto?

Incidents like that let stupidity crawl out of its caves.

no mans taxes should go to feed and clothe murderers better than the poor of the nation eat and dress.

http://ejusa.org/learn/cost

-The most rigorous cost study in the country found that a single death sentence in Maryland costs almost $2 million more than a comparable non-death penalty case. Maryland spent $186 million extra to carry out just five executions.1

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This is of course, the USA's death penalty cost, but seeing you're american....

What's Maryland?

An efficient way to kill people is a bullet to the head. It costs around 200.000 to buy a box of 100 bullets. And 100 bullets, let's be generous to give 2 to each person, those 100 bullets can kill 50 people. And it costs 40.000 to kill each person...less than 1 USD.

Just how many executions is this Maryland pulling off? And how many golden bullets is it buying?

Also, myhand, that was quite a rude comment. I'll try to speak from a third party view here, death penalty may or may not be the right way to go, but it doesn't allow you to dismiss arguments as "stupidity crawiling out of its caves". At least Lawlz gave some argument, instead of the "I'm too smart for your likes" argument.

Yeah, but that isn't "humane". (US uses lethal injection these days). I would rather be shot in my sleep than killed with an injection that:
1 I know is coming
2 I know is going to kill me

Humane is not deserved for inhumane people. Killing is not humane in the first place.

It's not the cost of the execution that is why the death penalty is so expensive, but the many rounds of appeals. There is also mounting evidence that lethal injections are not really all that humane (though I'm not sure there really is a humane way to kill someone).

And while myhand was rather rude, his general point does hold - people do use events like this as an excuse for hatred and intolerance.

What's Maryland?

One of the 50 states of the United States of America.

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An efficient way to kill people is a bullet to the head.

Efficient, and yet immoral for the average American.

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It costs around 200.000 to buy a box of 100 bullets.

http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-45-acp-ammo-45acp230fmjmbi-100

100 rounds of .45 ACP ammunition for $37.75

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Just how many executions is this Maryland pulling off?

Five (5) executions

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Killing is not humane in the first place.

The death penalty varies by state, but these are the crimes punishable by death:


-Intentional murder with 18 aggravating factors

-First-degree murder, including pre-meditated murder and felony murder, accompanied by at least 1 of 14 aggravating factors

-Capital murder

-Sabotage

-Train wrecking causing death

-Treason

-Perjury causing execution of an innocent person

-Fatal assault by a prisoner serving a life sentence

-First-degree kidnapping resulting in death

-Felony murder

-Capital drug trafficking

-Capital sexual battery

The list goes on and on, but you can see a full list in detail here: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/crimes-punishable-death-penalty

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@Myhand:

You noticed I was not aggressive with you. I am very rarely on the forum but I can't sleep well tonite.
I was ok yesterday. Today I have a hangover. And I was curious to read the WL community view about what happened in France yesterday.

If I took time to answer you Myhand, it was because I know we can speak to each other. You usually seem to understand things. You are so much interesting when you take time to explain yourself and even to explain things to the others. Don't blame ignorance. If you decide to answer to somebody. Do it properly or do not. Teach them if necessary. This is your burden I guess.

Anyway thx for your last post. It makes things clear. The idea in your first post is typically something Cabu or Wolinski could have drawn by themselves. You still have to learn you can't bring any perspective to blind people though.

Sincerely yours.

Ah Myhand, I now see your viewpoint crystal clear, and I now side with you that we should go out of our way to disrespect the dead. Charlie Hebdo was clearly an antagonistic terrorist who deserved to die. Oh wait. You didn't even know who he was.

Anyway, you're an utter fool for calling me a "brainwashed misinformed stereotype of your society". For God's sake, the only thing that I'm trying to say is that the wrongly killed have the right to our respect, and I am upset when someone like you infringes upon that right. Anyway, through your biased, spineless arguments you've proven to me and a whole bunch of other people on this forum that your nothing but a washed-up hippie with a vocabulary.

And to your final comment: Yes this is an open forum. And yes you can utilize that freedom in any way you please, even if that means lashing out at others for little to no reason. But just because this is an open forum doesn't make being a jerk any more ethical or acceptable. I know your first instinct will be to respond to this in an affected spiel that runs in circles without actually saying anything at all (as you typically do), but you can spare the words this time. Instead just take a moment to read and internalize the arguments that other people have.