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NATIONS CUP: 6/17/2013 22:36:36


dunga • apex 
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With the last semifinal of the NC decided by score, team Brazil moves to the final game against Norway.
I will be doing forum coverage for the grand final.

Also, i would like to invite everybody to the 2nd Nations Cup, that will start as soon as the final finishes, so while the final takes places, the registration for the next Nations Cup will be happening.

I wont be doing much of the organizing, but the first tournament generated lots of interest which made it easily alive throughout the process.

This 2nd tournament doesnt need to have the same formula as the previous one.

I want the help of all of you to decide:
1) Bracket system or group stage?
2) 5 or 7 players each team (more seems will not work)?
3) Templates for 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and TEAMvTEAM.
4) Pointing system.
5) Suggestion for coverage



Also, as of now, teams can start organizing and posting their line-ups, and i am adding team Brazil 1 with this momentary line-up.

giovanni
schmidt
furacao.br
kantos
myself (c)


The last tournament we flooded the forum a little bit with all the nations threads, but since we now have the notable forum i still think is the best method to reunite the nation teams. It will be a fresh breeze for the harsh things we are seeing in the posts.

and good luck for Norway and Brazil, which nation will be crowned the Warlight's First Nations Cup Champion?
NATIONS CUP: 6/17/2013 22:52:27


Mudderducker 
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I completly forgot about this thing, I think I was in Team GB 2. Thanks for doing this btw. It 's a great idea and takes a lot of time to do. Congrats to the two finalists.
Next cup I would be happy to help, set up some of the games if you need help or test. Also I can captain One of the Gb's if no one else is.

I can't help with settings really, but in terms of teams I think 7, it gives more people a chance to play.
Coverage I think there should be updates of rounds and game links. Maybe could get the Livestream crew to do some commentary, on big games.
NATIONS CUP: 6/17/2013 23:04:44


Mudderducker 
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You would need 32 teams,
8 groups of 4, top 2 progress from each group
Last 16, 8 games 8 progress
Quater-Finals, 4 games, 4 progress
Semi-finals, 2 games, 2 progress
Finals, 1 game 1 winner
3rd place between 3rd and 4th.

^ an idea that's how the football would cup is done.
NATIONS CUP: 6/17/2013 23:37:58


Aranka 
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Too bad I was a singular player for the Netherlands

Even though I was ranked with some of warlight's best I still got 3 out of 4

Unknown,dunga,MC-Arc and Myna(?) were the players if I wasn't mistaken
NATIONS CUP: 6/17/2013 23:48:43

NZPhoenix (AHOL) 
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If I can play for NZ/Aus. I will play this.
NATIONS CUP: 6/17/2013 23:53:31


Frankdeslimste • apex 
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Good luck in the finals, I hope we'll win the next team we run into you guys.

As for the tournament structure: I think brackets might be the best way to go, seeing as lots of teams lost interest halfway during the groupstage which made some groups pretty pointless.
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 01:34:31


NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex 
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I will organize an East USA team, as I did last season. If anyone from last season is interested, let me know and I'll see who we have to work with.



1) I think the bracket system would be best. Groups (if that's what we had last time) took so long people got bored, inactive, etc.
2) A roster of 5 people with two subs, making 7 total seems best to me. Too many people gets hard to coordinate and keep track of.
3) 1v1: If Fizzer comes out with the changing bonus values I would say this current seasons settings. If not, I like the settings of the clan league right now.
1v1 strat med earth.
1v1 strat volcano islands
2v2 strat med earth.
2v2 strat east Asia and Oceania
3v3 basic euro template
5v5 no idea, don't play much 5v5 so I don't know many templates. Maybe something fun like the solar system map?
4) 1 point for all 1v1 and 2v2, 2 points for 3v3, 5 for 5v5
5) Not experienced enough to give any advice on coverage.
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 01:48:25

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i think 5v5 shouldnt be worth that much, in my experience 5v5's consist of to many teammates to coordinate every move, normally only picks are coordinated, so shouldnt be worth so many points. I am willing to play for a west usa team unless there are better players that want to
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 06:22:49


[WM] Gnuffone 
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bracket>Group stage
roster 5 allow nation with less player to play.
about template, i think 5v5 should coint less or = to 3v3. Often 5v5 is lucky on pick IMHO, and i say this for exaperience.
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 07:13:33


hedja 
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I prefer the idea of 5 players per country, it means if there are many in 1 country you just add a second team, and it allows smaller countries to have more players.

Si alguien aqui que lee esto y quiere participar para Espana conmigo en esto invitame a un juego. No creo que lleguemos a cinco jugadores, pero es mejor saber quien es Espanol para poder organizar un equipo en otro campeonato o solo para concernos :)
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 08:10:28


Min34 
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5 players also means that countries as Poland and the Netherlands can have 4 teams :D
So would we allow those 3 or 4 teams or do we say that 2 teams per country/area is enough?

1)Brackets are what we should use here, as mentioned earlier by others, the group stages became a mess after teams lost their interest.

2)I don't have anything against both of the teams, but 5vs5 will probably go a bit faster and be less of a mess than 7vs7. 5vs5 is slightly better in my opinion, but I wouldn't care if it became 7vs7 again.

3)I don't really care about the templates, but I would say that we shouldn't use to well known templates so we can see how the teams can adapt in a slightly different kind of template wich isn't well known. I think NoobSchool's choises aren't to bad. I would change the 3vs3 template to something else.

4)Pointsystem:
1v1 & 2v2: 1 point
3v3: 2 points
TEAMvTEAM: 2 or 3 points, not more.

5) No idea :D
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 10:22:08

Dom365 
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Who plays for Norway? I wasn't aware there was any Norwegian players on here!

I'll play for GB if possible!
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 11:04:41


wakanarai 
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min if you make that amount of team of 1 country you can know for sure the worst teams are out after the first round no matter against who they stand but if needed I am availible to play for the dutch proud
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 11:29:27


Saru 
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Just to know, is there a Belgian team?
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 11:37:45


Min34 
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@Bhklahgil, that is true, but for brackets you need an amount of teams, you can't just go with a random amount but you'll need 16 or 32 (or 64 for that matter) so there might be limited space (you know we won't get 64 teams, but we might get 40 for example) then you have to draw the line.

@sarutobi/Epaminondas: Belgian team was with the dutch team last nations Cup. That went well, but if you guys have enough players then you might be able to do a dutch/belgian team with only belgian players.
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 11:48:12


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It's Dutch pride, and according to our politicians, we 're so small and squishy that we need those big strong countries around us realy hard and so we don't have the luxury of having pride xD

I will most likely be available to play for Netherlands as well.
(Depanding on, well, everything, i 'm still not sure what this cup is gonna look like :P )
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 13:23:07


Saru 
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the sad thing is the fact that I only know myself to be an active Belgian player :p .
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 15:09:11


Timinator • apex 
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guess germany will get 1, maybe 2 serious teams :P
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 15:28:28


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any one a mid western usa? i am not sure i should captain one but i would join one
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 19:56:47


Mudderducker 
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How many teams does Gb and Ireland Get, we could easily make 2. And also if there's space we can make a third
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 21:16:25

CROivan
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I would love to join, but for who do I play if I'm from Croatia? Balkans, Central Europe or what?
NATIONS CUP: 6/18/2013 21:16:51


myhandisonfire 
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Croatia?
NATIONS CUP: 6/19/2013 01:08:32

NZPhoenix (AHOL) 
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SO if I was actually to raise a team how many people would I need?
NATIONS CUP: 6/19/2013 01:34:07

Kantos
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u would need at least 5, but if u have some subs to middle tournament is better, or u can make alot of teams like USA
still need be decide if 5 or 7 people per team but for now 5
NATIONS CUP: 6/19/2013 04:15:07

Seahawks 
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o we can host teams? i will host a west usa team then
NATIONS CUP: 6/19/2013 06:54:16

CROivan
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Oh, I thought that there wouldn't be smaller nations but regions :|... Anyways, I could invite 5 people from Croatia that I met on Warlight if it's needed.
NATIONS CUP: 6/19/2013 12:05:51

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CROivan:
The original idea was to have one team per country (at some point we even discussed having national competitions to see who would go on the team). But then it didn't seem to make much sense to have one team from the entire USA (300 million people) and one team from the Netherlands (16 million people)... and in theory one team from Monaco (if there's five people playing WL there). So, that's when we got things like Germany 1 and Germany 2.

Many countries did not have enough people to fill a team (in the first edition teams needed seven players minimum). That's when we started combining countries with few players into regions.

(Of course, the Dutch wanted to be special, and we used both systems. We entered Netherlands and Flanders 1 and Netherlands and Flanders 2... :p )

Anyway, if there's enough players to form a Croatian team, I think that's the preferred solution (after all, it IS called the "Nation's Cup"), but if you're short on players, try looking around and enter (for instance) an ex-Yu team or something. (I think all "combination" teams on the first edition consisted of neighbouring countries; if you'd really like to enter something like "Croatia and Seychelles", talk to Dunga.)
NATIONS CUP: 6/19/2013 12:16:13

CROivan
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Well OK, I created a game for 5 of us Croats, so I'll just wait and see if they accept.
NATIONS CUP: 6/19/2013 12:20:08


[WM] Gnuffone 
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I think Italy team haven't 5 or 7 members.
So i could be added to another nation? if yes, like RvW say, we can do like Croatia and Seychelles?
NATIONS CUP: 6/19/2013 12:23:39


Aranka 
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Yes Gnuffone, you can add San Marino players too :P
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