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New Large Crusades Map: 11/5/2014 11:28:20


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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It's not bound to any single year, but it's the late 12th Century.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/7/2014 16:07:08


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I do not think that the Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia belongs there. You're really stretching it if you're trying to make your map in the late 12th century because it was created in 1199. I think Volhynia and Halych should go instead.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/7/2014 16:29:44


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Oh okay. The base map I'm using is actually the year 1200, so there are a few errors like that, although I've corrected the more obvious ones.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/7/2014 18:42:38


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Also, I expect the Kievan Rus' can be viewed as powerless after Mstislav's death in 1132, but it lived on until 1240, when the Mongols invaded. I think it can be compared to the German confederation as to how bound it was. Anyhow, I think that you should make it something like the Holy Roman Empire on your map, where the principality of Kiev/Kievan Rus' properties is the actual control and everything else on this map https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Principalities_of_Kievan_Rus%27_%281054-1132%29_ru2.svg?uselang=ru. Principality of Kiev is banana-yellow and says КИЕВ, and south of it is the Kievan Rus' properties (blue), and everything else coloured is part of the Kievan Rus'. Anyhow, do what you want.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/8/2014 09:26:58


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Nice map zxctycxz :D. I can't wait for it to be finished.

Anyway, I'm currently making a map on Kievan Rus Principalities so I wanted to share some maps that may be usefull.

Outremer

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/mladjov/files/nsyria1143.jpg
http://sitemaker.umich.edu/mladjov/files/ssyria1143.jpg

while the it's a bit earlier, it has quite accurate names of cities and fortifications.

Kievan Rus

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/mladjov/files/rus1200.jpg

there are tons of detailed maps on his site mostly from Ancient Greece till the Late Middle Ages.

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/mladjov/maps&

Жұқтыру

No map can be accurate for a single year or even a span of 10 years. Especially in an turbulent period like the medieval rus principalities. The borders were constantly changing, princes and grand princes ( never understood why they are called princes in english, when they are knjaz in russian, maybe it has something to do with sovereignty ) were evicted, killed and replaced. Some adjustments and freedom have to be used. I believe catching the general feel of the era is good enough.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/8/2014 16:16:37


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Yes, I realise that, though I think you are a bit exaggerating how turblent it was. However, I've looked at other maps of the Kievan Rus' in the 1100s and it's generally correct.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/8/2014 16:57:00

Elroi{IL}
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According to the map taken these steps towards http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1200/index.html
The map he built a highly accurate, and besides not to trust Wikipedia it is not a reliable source.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/8/2014 23:39:43


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Thanks for the advice, Incaman, I have a map for making the actual territories already, but it looks like that one could be useful for naming them.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/8/2014 23:41:15


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à Elroi:

What makes your internet source better than my internet source?

Also, I've seen some books that have maps similar to the image I showed.

à zxctycxz:

What are you going to about Kievan Rus'? Will you just leave it as seperate states?

Edited 11/8/2014 23:47:11
New Large Crusades Map: 11/9/2014 08:14:52

Elroi{IL}
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I say that Wikipedia is not a reliable source, anyone with an account can change information.
What year your map? And regardless can not really know which map more accurate,,,
And I think the idea of princesses Ross, connected as the Holy Roman Empire, it's an interesting idea

Edited 11/9/2014 08:27:48
New Large Crusades Map: 11/9/2014 13:04:42


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Жұқтыру: I think what I'll do is have different colours for each of the Kievan Rus' Principalities as if they were separate nations, but also have a Bonus for Kievan Rus'. Does that sound good?

Edited 11/9/2014 13:43:47
New Large Crusades Map: 11/9/2014 13:53:40


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Yes, I think that would be the best course of action.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/10/2014 19:17:24

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What are you going to make the Baltic region? Divided into tribes and big bonus? Or one big bonus? Or some small bonuses
New Large Crusades Map: 11/10/2014 21:08:11


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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I think I'll divide it into Ethnic regions, so there'll be 'Prussians,' 'Curonians,' 'Livonians,' and 'Ests.'
New Large Crusades Map: 11/11/2014 04:48:36


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Just wondering, where do you get the territory names? I can imagine getting them in the actual states, but getting the names of regions of people must be more difficult.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/11/2014 16:09:00


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Well, I've got some of them from maps showing the regions of the time, but I'm afraid there isn't much information that's very specific, so I've been forced to get most of them from Google Maps. I know I shouldn't really do this, but I don't have many options at the moment, and people don't really even notice the name of the territories once they're playing the map, anyway.

Edited 11/11/2014 16:09:33
New Large Crusades Map: 11/14/2014 05:13:27


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Put something in the gap between Alania and Rus'. I realise information may be sparse, but no excuses. I believe the Cumans were in the Northern Caucaus, along with the Kypçaks in the south.

Also, are you sure that Alania was a kingdom at this point? I don't know exactly myself; information on this is very sparse, but I'm inclined to believe no.

Also, I think that you should do something Kingdom of the Isles. The Kingdom of the Isles was a vassal state of Norway until the 1200s, so you could create a Norwegian Domain bonus.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/16/2014 22:37:58


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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I'm taking a break on the map for a bit at the moment, I've got behind on a few things, but when I start again, I'll see to your recommendations.
New Large Crusades Map: 11/30/2014 23:18:48


zxctycxz [Ollie Bye] 
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Well I think it's ready now, so assuming there are no problems Fizzer has with it, it will be public tomorrow.
New Large Crusades Map: 12/1/2014 15:31:08

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Waiting for publication
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