Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 13:18:49 |
Guiguzi
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I am neither a theist nor an atheist. So I see no need to prove anything. But, if atheists think they are superior beings for their logic, reasoning, and science, then why not use this logic, reasoning, and science to some effect?
Those lowly Christians who lack logic, reasoning, and science merely believe. Yet, the superior beings also only believe. Both merely have opinions. Where is the logic, reasoning, and science if we are only able to remain at the level of opinions?
The only difference is that theists may appear naive when stating their opinions as facts and oppressive if they limit the freedoms of non-believers; while atheists may appear arrogant or pretentious when criticizing theists and hypocritical for denying others the right to have an opinion/belief when they themselves are no better.
"The existence or non-existence of God has absolutely no tangible outcome."
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 15:13:08 |
Addy the Dog
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Those lowly Christians who lack logic, reasoning, and science merely believe. Yet, the superior beings also only believe. Both merely have opinions. Where is the logic, reasoning, and science if we are only able to remain at the level of opinions?
What's worse is when they are humanists, which really is a belief system no better than religion. Dawkins infuriates me with his dismissal of religious values and then hypocritically following it up with the baseless, wishy-washy bullshit of humanism. At those times I don't consider him to be any better than a theist.
Also, congratulations on figuring out that God doesn't exist, Wordsworth & Aranka. You did it. Now, how many times do you need to keep rehearsing the same (borrowed) arguments with yourselves? It's time to move on.
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 15:14:37 |
Naomi
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"Without hope, we have nothing." That's the whole basis of religion at its simplest, or at least what I've seen (even though no one religious will admit it to me). It's a hope that we are not alone, and that there is something greater than us, whose life is unending. Thing about it: at His finest, He is everything we strive to be. At His lowest, He's everything we are.
*cough* I looovvveeeee the Church...
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 15:35:20 |
powerpos
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what is important on christianity in america ?
i pretty much figured religion was an individual choice in almost all countries ...
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 16:10:07 |
Naomi
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Constitution, Declaration of Independence,and the Preamble all mention God. LEGAL DOCUMENTS THAT GOVERN THE COUNTRY... that's all c:
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 17:12:01 |
Ironheart
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I posted awhile a ago in respond to warlightvet troll question but that did not show.
Anyways I agree with this guy.
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 19:50:47 |
Robespierre
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I'm going to throw my thoughts in this conversation for a bit. Qi, your recurring argument has been that "While Atheists claim to have superior intellect, they have not disproved the existence of a God to theists." I feel like you're using this a bit out of context and/or not understanding the reason there has not been a widespread revelation among theists.
Using Christianity as the example, the fundamental principle in most religions is faith. Faith that regardless of the fact that there is no tangible proof of the existence of a god, one should still blindly believe it exists. So therefore, no amount of tangible evidence garnered by scientific research and experimentation will affect that core value of faith. When one believes in something that cannot be proven, proof would understandably bear no relevance in said matter.
I just think the argument of "Christians are still Christians so Atheists have failed" is one tat is flawed. Nonetheless, I'm amused and intrigued by this thread and I hope to see it continue at the rate that it has been.
Good luck and godspeed. c;
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 19:51:02 |
Robespierre
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Blargh, *that is flawed.
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 22:12:58 |
zach
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About your post Ironheart...
The point being made in the first paragraph is that regardless of the validity of religious beliefs, the world still exists. This overlooks the fact that religion is not a necessity; a world without it (or with a different form of it) could be a better place. Furthermore, the way religion is incorporated into society today will shape the future, so considering it as "out of our hands" seems pretty irresponsible to me. I'm not going to accept something just because I can't disprove it without a doubt.
The second paragraph as a whole seems like total BS to me. I'd like to see some studies showing how "believers" are healthier people. I don't think an hour of church on a Sunday is going to make or break my social life either.
Next, the writer calls atheists/agnostics a bunch of lazy pork-eating sluts while forgetting to mention anything about their beliefs, thinking, etc. I didn't wake up one day and think "I hate wasting my Sunday mornings in church. Hey, why don't I become an atheist." The whole point of a belief is that you believe it. If you choose a belief out of ease (being born into it?) you really can't say you believe it.
"There's nothing wrong with what we have right now." Are you kidding me? Their are plenty of problems caused by or associated with religion. I'm not going to commit to your belief system because it's supposedly a good thing according to you.
As an atheist, I don't mind religion at all. I do become irritated, however, when people try to turn religion into a fight, or a competition. Keep it to yourself, or discuss it academically and objectively, but please try to be logical and rational while doing so.
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 22:22:43 |
[WG] Warlightvet
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alright guys
i'll prove that god does not exist
but first
please prove to me that unicorns don't exist
:)
because i believe in unicorns, even though there's no evidence i believe in them and they really exist if you can't prove they don't.
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 23:32:49 |
Guiguzi
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It's good that atheists have their own religion. Christians believe in god and love Jesus. Atheists believe in the non-existence of gods and hate Christians. Maybe you guys can organize a church somewhere to talk about how god doesn't exist and how stupid Christians are. If you really get excited, talk about unicorns and purple dragons, because it seems you have a sacred book about animals from fairy tales that you must all read in order to better refute people whoqquestion your faith in nothingness.
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Christianity in America: 4/24/2013 23:57:36 |
The King of Carrot Flowers
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Maybe you guys can organize a church somewhere to talk about how god doesn't exist and how stupid Christians are.
teehee...
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Christianity in America: 4/25/2013 01:15:50 |
Guiguzi
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I always thought atheists had interesting philosophical reasons and scientific arguments for why they are atheists. But, so far, all I've heard from them is:
- "We are more intelligent than Christians, therefore atheism."
- "Organized Christian religions have many problems, therefore atheism."
- "We are better at copying and pasting Google search quotes, therefore atheism."
- "We don't believe in unicorns and purple dragons, therefore atheism."
- "Ancient polytheists were wiser than contemporary theists, therefore atheism."
Again, where is the wisdom and science in atheism?
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