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The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/12/2013 22:03:03

Yoshi
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this shit haven't end it yet well now i'm really glad.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/17/2013 19:12:44


Widzisz • apex 
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Update. (I will try to make at least 1 per week from now on)

In the only ongoing group I, Luxis • apex went on vacation, and was booted in all 2vs2 games. Since others players decided to vote to end, the group will be decided only by 1vs1 scores.

There was little feedback on the issues I mentioned earlier, guess I will just decide on my own.

This time the templates for next round are going to be discussed by 8 people advancing.
In case of lack of agreement, we will either use 1vs1 Strategic and 2vs2 Strategic templates OR I will retreat from the league and simply pick the templates by myself.

Some changes in next (3rd) round: (almost like I described at page 6)

• Joining deadlines. 3 days to join tournaments and 2vs2 games after I create them (I will announce it earlier). Each day late mean -1 point, player is removed from the league if he is 3 days late, and someone from reserve take his place.

• Reserve. Right now it means first opportunity get [WG] Warlightvet, lobstrosity, Frankdeslimste • apex and the player that end up being 3rd in group I. First come first served. If none of them is willing to, [WM] Featherbucket and 4th from group I get the chance and so on. Reserve players would have to join in 2 days after being invited.

• Vacations. Well, obviously Sze's initial idea of this league being quick and moving fast has failed miserably. That's why from round 3 onward vacations are going to be honored. Sorry for that.

Also, I won't participate in next season, will try to do my best as a host though.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/17/2013 19:41:02

Hennns
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from round 3 onward vacations are going to be honored

I assume you mean not honoured?
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/17/2013 20:27:44


Widzisz • apex 
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I assume you mean not honoured?

No. Vacations were not honored in this season, and it spoiled the fun for few groups. (i.e. Chaos and Niko in 1st round, and now Luxis). Szeweningen decided to not honor vacation to make this thing advance fast, but given the pace of some players, it won't advance fast anyway ;)
No need to hurry anyway. And vacations not honored only annoy people.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/18/2013 06:12:36


[WM] Gnuffone 
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Good job widzisz :)
only one question.
This time the templates for next round are going to be discussed by 8 people advancing.
In case of lack of agreement, we will either use 1vs1 Strategic and 2vs2 Strategic templates OR I will retreat from the league and simply pick the templates by myself.

about Agreement, you think 4/8 is enough for pick a template?
i mean if 4 player agree for a template.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/23/2013 19:25:46


Widzisz • apex 
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Update.

Group I: Still in progress. Two games left.
|Place  |  Player           		| Wins  |Losses | 
|   1   | Timinator              	|   1   |   0   |
|  2-3  | Luxis • apex		  	|   1   |   1   |
|  2-3  | [WM] Anonymous          	|   1   |   1   |
|   4   | JUPITER ♦ ReLite ♦ 		|   1   |   2   |

Unfortunately Luxis is still on vacation. Hope he will make it before the boot time.

Other groups finished, results were already given on previous page.

[WM] Gnuffone: I'm not sure yet. I was thinking about minimum 6 players. We will see I guess.

In the meantime, I think this thing need some stats to be more interesting.
So, for all math-lovers:
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/23/2013 19:28:24


Widzisz • apex 
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FIRST ROUND OF FIRST CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SUMMARY:

Group A									|  Boot points	|	
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	[WM] Gnuffone      		|   2	|   5	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   2	|
|  2  |	[WG] dodo comander 		|   3	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   1	|   2	|
|  3  |	Niko              		|   3	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   3	|   0	|	booted in all 2vs2	
|  4  |	13Chris37         		|   1	|   2	|   0	|   2	|   1	|   2	|
									
Group B									|  Boot points	|	
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	[WG] Warlightvet   		|   3	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   1	|   0	|	booted in 2vs2	
|  2  |	lobstrosity       		|   2	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   1	|
|  3  |	Tigger				|   1	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   0	|   1	|
|  4  |	♦CPU♦ Clifford The Big Red Dog	|   3	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   1	|   0	|

Group C									|  Boot points	|	
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	TheWarlightMaster 		|   3	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   0	|
|  2  |	dreuj             		|   2	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   1	|
|  3  |	[WG] Summer            		|   3	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   0	|   1	|
|  4  |	dunga • apex             	|   1	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   2	|   0	|	booted in two 1vs1(one losing slightly)	
									
Group D									|  Boot points	|	
Rank	Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	Yoshi             		|   2	|   6	|   3	|   3	|   0	|   2	|	
|  2  |	[WM] Anonymous              	|   3	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   1	|   0	|	booted in 1vs1	
|  3  |	Heyheuhei         		|   1	|   2	|   1	|   1	|   1	|   0	|	booted in 1vs1	
|  4  |	NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex	|   3	|   1	|   0	|   1	|   0	|   0	|	
									
Group E									|  Boot points	|	
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	Luxis • apex             	|   1	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   0	|
|  2  |	Frankdeslimste • apex    	|   2	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   0	|
|  3  |	[WG] Ineffable			|   3	|   4	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   1	|
|  4  |	MilitaryManiac (AHoL)    	|   3	|   0	|   0	|   0	|   1	|   0	|	booted in 1vs1	
									
Group F									|  Boot points	|
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	JUPITER ♦ ReLite ♦  		|   3	|   5	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   5	|
|  2  |	myhandisonfire			|   1	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   3	|   3	|	booted in two 1vs1 	
|  3  |	[WM] Roo     			|   3	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   3	|   3	|	booted in two 1vs1	
|  4  |	[中国阳朔] Chaos             	|   2	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   5	|   1	|	booted in two 1vs1, in all 2vs2	

Group G									|  Boot points	|
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	Widzisz • apex    		|   2	|   5	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   3	|
|  2  |	Timinator         		|   1	|   3	|   1	|   2	|   2	|   2	|	booted in 1vs1	
|  3  |	JSA				|   3	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   4	|   1	|	booted in 1vs1, in 2vs2, surr. other 2vs2	
|  4  |	Aranka's Boobs • apex		|   3	|   2	|   0	|   2	|   1	|   2	|

Group H									|  Boot points	|
|Rank | Player				|  Tier	|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	[WM] Featherbucket     		|   2	|   4	|   1	|   3	|   1	|   0	|	booted in 1vs1(was winning)
|  2  |	fatality			|   1	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   0	|   0	|
|  3  |	[WM]Falker            		|   3	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   0	|   1	|
|  4  |	brisk • apex             	|   3	|   2	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   0	|

We had total of 24 boot-games (10 2vs2 and 14 1vs1), out of 72. That gives 1 boot for each 3 games on average.
Majority of boots occurred right at the beginning of the game, but not everywhere.
Almost all games where quite even before the boot, there is a comment in () in other case.
Golden boot award goes to group F! Congrats guys! I hope no one will repeat your accomplishment!

Now, time for a bit more interesting stats! (Boot-games are counted as normal games)
Advancing to round 2:
	4/8 	players from Tier 1
	7/8 	players from Tier 2
	5/16	players from Tier 3

Tier 2 did surprisingly well, while Tier 1 was lazy. Next season you start as Tier 3 :>
Tier points:
	Tier 1	21/48	average  2,625  points
	Tier 2	33/48	average	 4,125  points
	Tier 3	42/96	average	 2,625  points

This is interesting. It might be caused by boots I guess, but the difference is still significant.
And Tier 1 having on average same amount of points as Tier 3... shame on you, Tier 1, shame on you.
Tier vs points:						
		0	1	2	3	4	5	6
Tier 1		0	1	2	4	1	0	0
Tier 2		0	1	0	0	4	2	1
Tier 3		1	2	4	5	3	1	0

This one is even more surprising. Had to check it twice. Only ONE of tier 1 get 4 points and none get more...
Advancing to next round vs points:
		0	1	2	3	4	5	6
Advancing	0	0	0	5	7	3	1
Not advancing	1	4	6	4	1	0	0

At least 3 points are needed to pass, but it appears even 4 are not enough, if you are unlucky.
Again congrats to Yoshi for getting all 6 points, pity he refused to play in round 2.

What you think about these results?
Anything particularly surprising?
Why Tier 1 seems so bad compared to Tier 2?
Post if you find some other interesting comparison.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/23/2013 21:44:53

Dom365 
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Even to someone who wasn't involved in it, those stats were great, Widzisz!
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/24/2013 07:41:20


[WM] Gnuffone 
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My explanation why tie 2 did better than tie 1:
-all players in the tie 1 are very experienced in their final stage of their career on warlight, with little motivation and some perhaps overvalued compared to tie 2.
-almost all player of tie 2 are in their early career best of warlight, with a lot of motivation to win and try their best.
- sze wrong sth with tie, and before he gone when i speak with him he agree with me, and he say that if he could redo, he exchanged some tie 1 with some tie 2.
-4/8 tie 1 get booted in at least 1 game.
-lately some tie 1 didn't do so good like in the past.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/24/2013 08:02:44


Joker
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My translation of Gnuffone's explanation:
- some players in tier 1 either don't really care and were grandfathered into tier 1
- players in tier 2 care more or are simply better at 1v1 AND 2v2 games on different maps
- I, Gnuffone, belong in tier 1. I talked to Sze about this dishonorable treachery. He finally relented and said to me, "Yes, Gnuffone, I knight thee, Legend of Warlight. Go forth and spread the good word." By the way, others in tier 2 might also belong in tier 1, but the main point of contention is recognizing my brilliance, since I am the Successor to Sze, the Chosen One.
- [Google translate has malfunctioned.]
- redundant: see the first point about caring and motivation.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/24/2013 13:31:27


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haha, so true.

Interesting though: In the next stage, supreme tier 2 lost more than half its players, while more than half of the weak tier 1 players advance.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/24/2013 18:30:23


Widzisz • apex 
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[365] Dom1511 : Thanks :) it took some time to make.

[WM] Gnuffone : Yea, I had similar thoughts. Of course Tiers were decided by Szeweningen, so might be a bit mistaken/biased. I wonder how this comparison will look like next season, where tiers are going to be determined by results of 1st season.

Joker : I understood all Gnuffone's points, despite my weak English. Don't know what was so hard for you to comprehend here.

myhandisonfire : Yes indeed, so far we know 3 out of 7 from Tier 2, and at least 3 out of 4 from Tier 1 advance. This will be in summary of 2nd round.



More stats regarding 1st round:

Tier / Rank achieved
	  1st	  2nd	  3rd	  4th
Tier 1:	   1	   3	   2	   2
Tier 2:	   4	   3	   0	   1
Tier 3:	   3	   2	   6	   5

Groups in round 2:
	Tier 1	Tier 2	Tier 3
Group I:  2	  0	  2
Group J:  0	  2	  2
Group K:  1	  2	  1
Group L:  1	  3	  0
Groups were decided randomly, with two players ranked 1st and two ranked 2nd in first round.


Answering the question asked some time ago:
"how many times did the 2 winners win their team game? what %?"
This happened in all eight groups! (again not counting boots)

Tier 3 in the 2nd season: (Tier from 1st season in parenthesis)
13Chris37 	  	  	  (1)
Tigger 	  	  	  	  (1)
dunga • apex 	  	  	  (1)
Heyheuhei 	  	  	  (1)

[中国阳朔] Chaos 	  	  (2)

NoobSchool (AHoL) • apex 	  (3)
[WG] Ineffable 	  	  	  (3)
MilitaryManiac (AHoL) 	  	  (3)
[WM] Roo 	  	  	  (3)
JSA 	  	  	  	  (3)
Aranka's Boobs • apex 	  	  (3)
[WM]Falker 	  	  	  (3)
brisk • apex 	  	  	  (3)
♦CPU♦ Clifford The Big Red Dog 	  (3)
[WG] Summer 	  	  	  (3)
Niko 	  	  	  	  (3)

Top 8 in ongoing season are going to be Tier 1 next season, 9-16 = Tier 2. It doesn't change anything, except the group draw at the beginning.
Of course there are going to be some drop outs, we already have some players inactive, and I won't play next season. I will take care of it later, after current season ends.

Starting from next round, 1vs1 games will have 3 day autoboot, not 5 as it is now. Probably 2vs2 too. Waiting for players feedback here.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/24/2013 18:37:20

JSA 
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I won't play, I lost interest in this season and was booted in nearly all games I think.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/24/2013 18:43:22


[WM] Gnuffone 
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5 autoboot maybe work better. COuld be bad at this point get booted.
Let's wait other opinion.
And as soon as this round 2 finish, open a hcat with top 8 of round 3 for decide template.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 6/25/2013 01:40:04


Joker
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but did you really understand
The Warlight Champions League #1: 7/1/2013 14:35:29


Widzisz • apex 
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Update.
Group I: RR 1vs1 finished.
|Place  |  Player           		| Wins  |Losses | 
|   1   | Timinator              	|   3   |   0   |
|  2-4  | [WM] Anonymous		|   1   |   2   |
|  2-4  | Luxis • apex          	|   1   |   2   |
|  2-4  | JUPITER ♦ ReLite ♦		|   1   |   2   |

Luxis is still on vacation, and was booted in his last 1vs1 game vs Timinator.

Normally 1vs1 Strat RR would be a solution here. I know Luxis won't play here anymore, so there will be only 1vs1 between [WM] Anonymous and JUPITER ♦ ReLite ♦.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 7/1/2013 18:31:13


Widzisz • apex 
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Group I Tiebraker game:

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=4482103

Probably at the end of the week I will post some stats about 2nd round, similar to previous ones.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 7/3/2013 12:00:43


Widzisz • apex 
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Tiebreaker game is over, congrats to [WM] Anonymous for passing to next round!
2nd round is over.

Players advancing to 3rd round:

Group I:
1st: Timinator
2nd: [WM] Anonymous

Group J:
1st: dreuj
2nd: [WG] dodo comander

Group K:
1st: fatality
2nd: [WM] Gnuffone

Group L:
1st: Widzisz • apex
2nd: myhandisonfire

Groups in 3rd round: (determined randomly)

Group M:
[WM] Anonymous
dreuj
[WM] Gnuffone
Widzisz • apex

Group N:
Timinator
[WG] dodo comander
fatality
myhandisonfire

As mentioned earlier, templates for 3rd round are going to be discussed soon.
The Warlight Champions League #1: 7/9/2013 17:27:27


Widzisz • apex 
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Update.
Well, not really an update, just letting you know what's going on now.
Me, as well as others from top 8 discuss some stuff connected to future rounds / seasons.
It's because Szeweningen left, and I volounteered to be a host, but obviously I haven't thought about everything...
So, I will base the stuff mainly on the feedback from those top 8 (kind of reward), but others are welcome to give some opinions too.

I will post everything that matters as soon as it is fixed.

In the meantime, some stats:
yea, I had some free time today

SECOND ROUND OF FIRST CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SUMMARY:
Group I									|  Boot points	|
|Rank | Player			| Tier	|Round 1|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	Timinator	     	|   1	|  2nd	|   3	|   3	|   0	|   0	|   1	|
|  2  |	[WM] Anonymous		|   3	|  2nd	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   0	|   0	| won tiebraker
|  3  |	JUPITER ♦ ReLite ♦ 	|   3	|  1st	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   0	|   0	|
|  4  |	Luxis • apex		|   1	|  1st	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   1	|   0	| went on vacation

Group J									|  Boot points	|
|Rank | Player			| Tier	|Round 1|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	dreuj	     		|   2	|  2nd	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   0	|   0	|
|  2  |	[WG] dodo comander 	|   3	|  2nd	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   0	|   0	|
|  3  |	[WG] Warlightvet	|   3	|  1st	|   0	|   0	|   0	|   0	|   0	|
|  4  |	Yoshi			|   2	|  1st	|   0	|   0	|   0	|   0	|   0	| resigned

Group K									|  Boot points	|
|Rank | Player			| Tier	|Round 1|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|
|  1  |	fatality		|   1	|  2nd	|   2	|   2	|   0	|   0	|   0	|
|  2  |	[WM] Gnuffone 		|   2	|  1st	|   1	|   1	|   0	|   0	|   0	|
|  3  |	lobstrosity		|   2	|  2nd	|   0	|   0	|   0	|   0	|   0	|
|  4  |	TheWarlightMaster	|   3	|  1st	|   0	|   0	|   0	|   0	|   0	| become inactive

Group L									|  Boot points	|
|Rank | Player			| Tier	|Round 1|Points	|  1vs1	|  2vs2	| Lost	|  Won	|       	
|  1  |	Widzisz • apex		|   2	|  1st	|   5	|   2	|   3	|   0	|   1	|
|  2  |	myhandisonfire 		|   1	|  2nd	|   4	|   3	|   1	|   1	|   0	|
|  3  |	Frankdeslimste • apex   |   2	|  2nd	|   2	|   1	|   1	|   1	|   0	| booted in 2vs2
|  4  |	[WM] Featherbucket      |   2	|  1st	|   1	|   0	|   1	|   0	|   1	|

Obviously, we had a lot more boots in previous round, but that's not a surprise.
Still, 3 out of 4 groups have one player missing, and it made the competition a lot poorer.
We had total of 18 (or 17 / 16, depending how we count) games here, while we should have 36.
I will try to prevent it by having a reserve, as I explained before.

Advancing to round 3:
	3/4 (/8) 	players from Tier 1
	3/7 (/8) 	players from Tier 2
	2/5 (/16)	players from Tier 3

As noticed earlier by myhandisonfire, roles have changed.
Tier 1 did their job, Tier 2 have disappointed me :(

Tier points:
	Tier 1	10/14
	Tier 2	11/24
	Tier 3	3/10

^Not counting the players that resigned / went inactive here.
Amount of points each tier gathered / sum of maximum amount of points each player in tier could get. This support earlier statement, Tier 1 did very well this time.

Tier / Rank 
	  1st	  2nd	  3rd	  4th
Tier 1:	   2	   1	   0	   1
Tier 2:	   2	   1	   2	   2
Tier 3:	   0	   2	   2	   1

So, next round we have three players from Tier 1, three from Tier 2, and two from Tier 3.
Quite even representation.


Results of second round with respect to the first one:
Rank round 1 / Rank round 2
	  1st	  2nd	  3rd	  4th
Rank 1:	   1	   1	   2	   4
Rank 2:	   3	   3	   2	   0

Only one player was first in both rounds.

So, in round 3 we have:
	2/8 	players that were 1st in 1st round
	6/8 	players that were 2nd in 1st round

Seems 2nd spot is kind of motivating.
Players from 1st round / rank in 2nd round
		1st	2nd
Group A:	 2	 2
Group B:	 3	 3
Group C:	 4	 1
Group D:	 4	 2	
Group E:	 4	 3
Group F:	 3	 2
Group G:	 1	 1
Group H:	 4	 1

Players that advanced from initial groups A and G are still in game, and no player from groups B or E passed to 3rd round.
Groups in round 3: 
	Tier 1	Tier 2	Tier 3
Group M:  0	  3	  1
Group N:  3	  0	  1

It was a random division. It might seem uneven, but I don't think anyone could say one group is clearly stronger. At least not if we consider the scores here:
Ranks of top 8 (those who advance to 3rd round) in previous rounds:

First round:
	Rank 1	Rank 2
Group M:  2	  2
Group N:  0	  4

Second round:
	Rank 1	Rank 2
Group M:  2	  2
Group N:  2	  2


Tier 2 in the 2nd season: (Tier in 1st season) {rank in 1st round}{2nd round}
Luxis • apex 			(1)	{1}{4}

Yoshi				(2)	{1}{4}
[WM] Featherbucket 		(2)	{1}{4}
lobstrosity			(2)	{2}{3}
Frankdeslimste • apex		(2)	{2}{3}

JUPITER ♦ ReLite ♦ 		(3)	{1}{3}
[WG] Warlightvet		(3)	{1}{3}
TheWarlightMaster		(3)	{1}{4}

This mean we also know...
Tier 1 in the 2nd season:
Timinator 			(1)	{2}{1}
fatality 			(1)	{2}{1}
myhandisonfire			(1)	{2}{2}

dreuj 				(2)	{2}{1}
[WM] Gnuffone 			(2)	{1}{2}
Widzisz • apex 			(2)	{1}{1}

[WG] dodo comander 		(3)	{2}{2}
[WM] Anonymous 			(3)	{2}{2}

I know some players won't play next season, but I have an idea how to organize the replacements and stuff. Don't tell me today that you won't play, we will get back to this once season 1 ends.



Pity some stats are meaningless, due to 3 games instead of 9.
Hope it won't happen again.
Still, again congrats to all that reached 3rd round!
The Warlight Champions League #1: 7/9/2013 22:36:44


[WM] Anonymous 
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I'm too underrated D: started in tier 3 pfff..
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