mad props for doing all this.

I agree with you Fizzer on RT hide. If more people played it would be unneeded. I love the idea of RT ladder, I just hate hour long games. I just spent the last 2 hours playing starcraft rather than RT ladder because I got 5 games in on SC2, would have gotten 2-3 here. If the pace gets better with the banking boot, that might solve the volume problem.

i get really surprised about some result:
-straight round lose. I thought was easier SR win than 0% luck win.
-the X consecutive game for archieve a rank. In my opinion is now useless when we switch to trueskill, as you will need 40/50 games for a good rating, otherwise variation will be too high.
-about range of 20%, remember to do it based on true skill meant, not based of rating, otherwise variation, that is very high at the start, will prevent you to play good players for long time.
-87 vote for randomize bonus are a lot, i thought this was going to win, but with minor vote.ù
-i would like to see who vote for auto-distrubiotn teplate (41 !!!!)
- reduce the boot time to 3 minute will increae boot. in some template, like LD and heavyearth, i think was the case to increse time, at least for pick. And i want see, when you have +20 income in ME, to commit in 3 minute....
-i'd rather don't comment about hide who is online. But at this point, as low rating make you lose point even if you win, add a range of matchmaking....
-i really get surprised, that season 2 got a lot of 1 star. With light fog, was enoguh just count and approach the expansion knowing you can £stall" opponent for 2 turns with diplo.
-i still don't understand, how turkey LD do better than MME LD. If you understand what strategic template mean, i can't really think you voted for a paper rock scissor template, based on pick lottery and 1st moves.

LD must go.

that 3 neutral must go too.

Edited 9/11/2014 06:34:02

Also, is a 3v3 Europe ladder forseeable in the near future?

same here :)

I like most changes a lot! I was a bit surprised that 1vs1 ladder didn't change to MME.
I would be glad if we could change two RTL templates all 1-2 months.

bring back the FFA ;)

Someone made a good point up there about only having 3 options when deinding whether you want to have a map. The five star system just confuses things and slightly obscures the data. I second that.

RT ladder should be advartised in Open Games tab (it could be 'fake game' pinned on the top of list). It will surely attract many people who just play real time game.

Agree with Krzychu. Like this was in ps Greece ladder :)

yeah. that's a great idea.

If we set vote "value" to

5 +2
4 +1
3  0
2 -1
1 -2

we will get:

score seasonal ladder poll
  175 experimental features
  158 Randomized bonusses 
   54 Random teamgame
  -13 Local Deployments
  -57 No-Split
  -67 Autodist
  -82 Multiattack
 -131 FFA

score RT Ladder template
  176 No-Luck strat 1v1
  153 BI5
  134 Guiroma
  110 strat Greece
   47 Season  7 - Heavy Earth
   14 Season 12 - Turkey LD
   -1 Season  3 - EA&O
   -9 Season  1 - light fog, 0 neutrals
  -49 Season  2 - light fog, diplo card
  -50 Season 11 - LD on ME, light fog

   22 Treasure Map
   22 Baltic Sea
   14 Heavy Earth
   11 China 1v1
   11 GME III
    1 strat Turkey
  -14 Qina 
  -15 Slow Earth
  -17 Macedonia
  -33 Ancient Greece LD
  -43 Season 15 - Poland
  -49 Rad-Osil
  -70 France LD
  -83 BI5 multiattack

So while I agree on which to delete, the judgement on which to include seems way subjective.. Funny thing is - i personally would much prefer china to baltic sea, but the numbers indicate it should be otherwise..

Plus - i completely disagree on multiple templates being a problem on the ladders. Ladders are for experienced players anyways. First of all you need to either pay for membership (which you would if you are really into the game) or play your way up to lvl 49? by which moment you will have understanding of the game enough for you to compete on the ladder with many templates. If people really want it, do it :)

As for the "hardcore" being majority of the voters.. the votes of others would not have much meaning other than "this is to complicated, i'll just click randomly"

As for hiding who's on the ladder at the moment, for God's sake just do it. People clearly want it to happen, and if it will not help, then revert it afterwards. Delay in showing finished games is a great idea and by far will make abusing ladder much more difficult. Why not do it like other tweaks you quoted "and we'll se what happens afterwards"?

All in All - seems like a very big uptade is about to happen, and we are very happy for you to listen to the voice of community that much. Thanks and keep up the good work, Fizz.. :D

that 3 neutral must go

YES!!! (if that means to erase it from the universe)

Great idea kry. I would love if all auto games were logged in a table somewhere.

Top of the auto games tab should always be a rt ladder game. The map should not be shown though.

ME > MME surprises me most
The rest ended up almost as expected.


Btw: Neutrals of 3 are ok, but SR please, to get rid of lucky 4v3 or unlucky 5v3 (2nd does not apply on 0% WR)


I agree RT-Ladder should be advertised on Open Games (possibility of joining/leaving easier)
Some people are to lazy to go to the ladderpage to join or don't even realise it exists

Edited 9/11/2014 10:01:12

Agree with timi about the thing of put SR 0% ;)
Why don't show the template though?

Nice pool summing up, Fridge :)

I personally also think, that reducing no. of templates on RL ladder would be better. Not only to less expedienced players, but also to "hardcore" ones. While the first is quite obvious, the 2nd group benefit, because only really good templates will be left (Pretty PLEASE, remove EA&O, or change it to SR :( ). Yes, you can learn 15 templates or more, but it's much better to play on 5, that are really good, than on 15 and hope to not get half of it. Shame it was voted in this way.

First of all you need to either pay for membership (which you would if you are really into the game) or play your way up to lvl 49?
There is alot of players with Membership (I'll pay to be better, than others), of above 50 lvl (lottery games etc..) that don't even know difference between SR and WR, so I disagree on this.

As for hiding who's on the ladder at the moment, for God's sake just do it. People clearly want it to happen, and if it will not help, then revert it afterwards. Delay in showing finished games is a great idea and by far will make abusing ladder much more difficult. Why not do it like other tweaks you quoted "and we'll se what happens afterwards"?
+1. Couldn't said it better.

People will be too lazy to check profile of 50 players to see who is online, or to figure it out it in another way. Most people just looking on a participants list and are like "naah this guy. I'll wait until he goes away". At least that's what I'm doing sometimes :P

EDIT: maybe I'll add 1 more thing: Will it stop all the people from trying to figure out who's online? Probably no. But the question is: will it increase RT ladder traffic? Answer is YES.

Edited 9/11/2014 11:10:40

1) LD on Turkey did not get voted out, instead the reasonable LD on Medium Earth was kicked. I did not expect that.
2) Hiding who's online might be a slight problem mostly because there is no range similar to 1v1 ladder. If your opponent is rated 600+ points below you, you can only lose points. Actually that feature has been a problem even earlier, I recall at least 3 situations when I wanted to play against zibik when only me, him and a 3rd low rated player were online and the algorythm paired up them despite us being in 1st and 2nd and him being almost in last place. Also if you still have the number of players visible 2 players that want to play together can just join when there are 0 people on the ladder. Again I don't believe it's a problem of visibility, it's much more of a problem of not enough players.
3) Poland -43? :(
4) Boot time on rt ladder with 3 minutes and 5 minute boot bank...
Nononnononononono I can say from experience I tend to be quick with calculation and order execution, but 3 minutes late game is definitely not enough to keep the quality of the game up. Also I'd like to poin out that majority wanted to keep it at 5, only difference is some wanted an increase only during the picking stage. If we drop it to 3 minutes even with banking boot time boots go up, quality of games goes down. Frankly banking boot time is very rarely used since most casual rt games are without autoboot. I must say I interpret the results of that poll very differently.

Little question: if we hide who he is online, we will know the opponent while we are playing?

@Gnuffone - I guess yes, since there is no option to play Anonymously, so i don't see how it could work on RT ladder all of the sudden.

Fizzer, thanks for doing this!

When are all these changes going to come into effect? In particular the 2v2 ladder template change to Final Earth?