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Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 14:46:42


Gundisalvus 
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Unless you are in a highly competitive clan, it can be difficult to make progress in terms of Warlight skill. Competition is a great way to learn, but even if you have access to all of the ladders, you might not be completely aware of the mistakes you are making, and how to correct them. I have experienced this myself. To address this issue, I would like to create a mentorship program, using this thread.




Here is how it shall work: on this thread, you can request that you be a "student" and/or "mentor". The names of available mentors will be posted on the top of this thread. To ensure quality, I will attempt to use good judgment when accepting new mentors to the list: people with very low 1v1 skills, or with questionable English fluency, will not be added to the list. The job of a mentor will be to play with some of the students and to preferably teach actively; to provide decent teaching and to further the knowledge of the student(s); and to not troll. If these requisites are not met, I will remove them at my discretion.




Strategic 1v1 is probably among the best templates to use because of its versatile nature. Consider using strategic 1v1 with no fog, occasionally, as it might help in explaining the theory behind starting picks, situation awareness, and tactics.

Strategic 2v2 is also a good idea, or perhaps some of the seasonal templates. Other than that advice, mentors may use whatever template they desire.







Available mentors:


Headless Chicken (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=666001590) *beginners
Kasparov
NostanceTD (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=3929162167) *mostly beginning players and intermediate
Blortis (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=137402733)
Apollo (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=2910144747)
Good Kid (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=2529731725) * specifically teaches strategic 1v1
gk (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=8011531559)
Darkpie (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=9827687606) *only after September 1st


Intermediate/advanced level students only:
Master of Desaster (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=2214950915)
ChrisCMU (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=999878954)
Namib (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=9123874507)* is teaching the art of using only 3 picks

Please contact me if you wish to join this list.


Current list of students:

sound_of_silence (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=3014408208)
NostanceTD (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=3929162167 )
MysteryManBall (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=4429187317)
Blortis (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=137402733)
{DARK} That Guy (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=4317506172)
Lion (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=1125420935)
Hermes (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=9335738282)
Ehrmantraut (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=8730228376)
Baka (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=1132452726)
Ranek (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=774438035)
AlterEgoist (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=794598733) *good luck with that
Tactical Incursion (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=9733643221_
Fatima (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=8316859422)
Storman (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=1033792501)
NostanceTD (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=3929162167)
Lackadaisical (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=3131555206)
julii (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=4135592034)
Headless Chicken (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=666001590)
TheBest_MD (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=548717047)
Imploder (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=2815881504) *strategic 1c1 picking
Cameron_13 (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=8032494223)
GoldenBullet (http://warlight.net/Profile?p=4436438182)

Please contact me if you wish to join this list.

Edited 9/8/2014 02:58:57
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 15:10:18


MysteryManBall
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How are you suppose to teach students to not to troll?
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 15:33:49


Gundisalvus 
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The mentors are not supposed to troll. I had thought that this was the obvious meaning implied in the sentence, but thank you for clarifying it.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 16:05:02


master of desaster 
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kasparov the best way to improve is asking your opponent after for example a ladder game, if he could analyze your moves and picks fastly and tell you what you can improve. i did it also like that and i'm always analyzing games if someone asks me for it.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 16:44:27


Gundisalvus 
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I do that too, mod. However, sometimes it is difficult to find opponents willing to analyze their games, etc, and I hope this thread can be of value. :)
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 16:57:54

Good Kid 
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The other problem is you have to be fairly good to get opponents on the ladder who are worth asking to analyze the game. If you lose to someone rated 1600 and ask them why, that might nit be very insightful.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 17:39:01


ChrisCMU 
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Good Kid is right. I am willing to help decent players learn other templates but they have to be solid first.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 17:52:07


szeweningen 
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Strategic 2v2 is also a good idea


I heavily advise against that, bad templates will enforce some bad habits. Strat 1v1 (reduce luck to 0%)+ europe 3v3 is my recommendation. Also there are dozens of hours of old wargaminglive events on twitch, we have done a lot of analysis during 90+ weeks and almost 200 events.

As far as analysis goes, external perspective is always a good idea, but you always have to focus more on your own analysis. If your analysis is objective and you focus on eliminating your mistakes, you will see progress quickly.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 17:53:16


Gundisalvus 
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Want me to add you to the list of mentors, Chris? I'll mention that you require that students need to be skilled players already, and that you have the right to accept or refuse to teach.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 18:24:06


MysteryManBall
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I'd like to learn
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 18:30:15


Blortis 
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I'd be willing to help someone with strat 1v1. I'm far from the best but I can teach the basics. It would also be nice for me to learn some of the finer points if anyone is interested in helping me out.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 18:39:53


Gundisalvus 
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@MysteryMan and Blortis: Awesome. I've updated the thread.

If I have time later this evening, I'll set up a 1v1 game vs. me. It'll be multi-day, so there won't be any rush to make moves.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 18:44:55


MysteryManBall
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I used to be in LEA but I stayed for 2 weeks because of communication complications


I know little knolege of tough competion
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 18:52:52


Gundisalvus 
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I am aware of this, yes.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 19:00:32


Gundisalvus 
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Strategic 2v2 is also a good idea


I heavily advise against that, bad templates will enforce some bad habits. Strat 1v1 (reduce luck to 0%)+ europe 3v3 is my recommendation. Also there are dozens of hours of old wargaminglive events on twitch, we have done a lot of analysis during 90+ weeks and almost 200 events.

As far as analysis goes, external perspective is always a good idea, but you always have to focus more on your own analysis. If your analysis is objective and you focus on eliminating your mistakes, you will see progress quickly.


Thanks for the advice, sze! If I read your message correctly, you're implying that strategic 2v2 is among the bad templates that enforce bad habits? Pardon me if this is an idiotic question. I always thought that strategic 2v2 was close enough to strat. 1v1 that many rules of expansion and starting picks were similar enough that playing strat. 2v2 with a person new to Warlight would be beneficial to them--teaching not only the intricacies of Medium Earth but also good teamwork.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 19:15:47


{DARK} That Guy
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I could use a little bit of help.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 19:22:36


ChrisCMU 
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Yes Kasperov. I think you need different tiers. Like people who can help someone with beginner, intermediate and advanced levels, and the particular template.

I can help with intermediate on Europe 3v3.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 19:25:47


szeweningen 
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Teamplay and 1v1 play have some common ground, however on an idea level they differ quite a lot. Strat 2v2 has many disadvantages as a template, the biggest one being only 2 starts per player. That increases the number rock-paper-scissors scenarios dramatically during the picking stage and most high level team games have a much stronger emphasis on map control/map balance. Strat 2v2 is a far cry from both its 1v1 sister and most competetive 2v2 templates. For team games 3v3 games have proven to be most balanced, that is why I suggested Europe 3v3, but any more balanced no-cards template would be beneficial to anyone who wants to understand teamplay.
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 21:53:41


pip
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I would like to be ChrisCMU's student :)
Skill mentorship program: 8/21/2014 23:27:46


Master Turtle 
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I currently have a tutor but I am all for hearing a second persons opinion. ChrisCMU, would you mind helping me? I would prefer a 1v1 template :P
Skill mentorship program: 8/22/2014 02:34:22

JSA 
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If you truly wish to learn more, you have to
A)Humble yourself
B)Put time and effort into finding your mistakes, and work on not making the same ones in the future.
C)Bring in outside ideas and learn new "tricks" and moves. Watch games between high level players and ask high level players for advice.

I can use myself as an example on A. Last winter, I believed I was a good 3v3 Europe player. I didn't learn much when I thought that. Then Gnuffone kicked my ass a couple times, and I realized how much I actually had to learn. To become very good, I first had to admit to myself that I wasn't good currently, and that I would listen fully to advice from players that were better than me. For some, this is easy. For me, it was not, but I'm glad I did it.

Like Sze says, eliminate your own mistakes. I found that even when I was a worse player, I could spot a vast majority of my own mistakes.

If you have done #1 and #2 and you still lose games and you aren't sure why, ask! If you are playing a very good player, pm them asking what your mistakes were. If you are often losing to guys that are not good, and you aren't sure why, make a game with one of the mentors on this thread or someone else you think might help you who is very good. They can help point out mistakes for you and make you a better player.
Skill mentorship program: 8/22/2014 02:54:28


Jefferspin 
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Kasparov, will you be mentoring yourself? How can I trust you to train me when you cannot train yourself!
Skill mentorship program: 8/22/2014 03:44:29


Gundisalvus 
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Hah, Jefferspin! I will be mentoring others, and accepting lessons as well. Who said I can't use my own creation? ;)

Edit: You're better than I am at the moment, anyway, so we shall see who shall be teaching whom!

Edited 8/22/2014 03:45:22
Skill mentorship program: 8/22/2014 11:29:47


Ska2D2 
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This should be made notable. And Kudos to ♛ Kasparov and all of the tutors.
Skill mentorship program: 8/22/2014 11:36:33


Mudderducker 
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I can teach, I think it would actually help me also, to try and actually think more again.
Skill mentorship program: 8/22/2014 11:39:25


master of desaster 
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ok i'll try as tutor. but as chris only to better players.

and maybe the mod (not me :P ) made a misclick when he made the wolfes thread notable and this not ^^

Edited 8/22/2014 11:45:18
Skill mentorship program: 8/22/2014 11:44:00


Mudderducker 
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Mod can you teach me? :D plz

Edited 8/22/2014 11:44:17
Skill mentorship program: 8/22/2014 11:49:09


master of desaster 
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haha xD yes of course ^^
Skill mentorship program: 8/22/2014 11:58:00


Gundisalvus 
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Awesome. We now have four mentors (two advanced mentors, and two that accept all skill levels) and five students, if you include myself.
Skill mentorship program: 8/22/2014 15:44:37


ChrisCMU 
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My requirement is that my students have to put my maps on their favorite list :)
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