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No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 03:31:52


bdh1998
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So Im getting confused with the new rule for the XVI ladder. I thought that if you had X armies on a space, you couldn't say move Y armies to some space and Z armies from the same space to another? In my first game that didnt seem to be the case. Can anyone pick my problem apart and help explain?

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6795564

Edit: Now I am thinking this is a) a glitch or b) a ladder problem

Edited 8/12/2014 03:40:31
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 03:49:14


ChristophU
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So your slider is also appearing? Have you successfully used it, or is it just there when it should not be, but not actually able to be properly used?
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 03:55:29


bdh1998
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No my slider appeared, and I actually used it properly, by splitting troops in eastern Africa. I also have contacted Fizzer about it.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:01:23

Fizzer 
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Oops! Sorry about that -- it should be fixed now.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:05:54


bdh1998
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Cool, I confirm that it is fixed. However, are you going to reset the ladder? some games have finished with no-split on.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:15:25


ChristophU
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I don't think the ladder should be reset, those games were played in good faith, and anything played in good faith should count, but players who did not know that no-split was not working may have been at a disadvantage, but it was not broken for long. I could go either way on it, but I don't think it should be reset at the moment.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:34:14

Ruthless Bastard 
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It should be reset. What are people who made early illegal moves suppose to do? Continue like nothing happened and win games illegally or be honorable and surrender not even giving them a chance to win.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:35:59

Good Kid 
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Depends if anyone actually made the illegal moves. In the first three games to be finished it seems no one did.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:39:03


CONQUISTADORS 
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I'd like a reset. I have a game that is questionable, but I cannot tell for sure since the game has not finished yet.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:41:00

Good Kid 
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@Conq 2 of the 3 games finished so far are Bort losing. He followed the rules in both games, doubt he did otherwise vs. you.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:42:51

Ruthless Bastard 
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there are countless games that have not ended where people may have made an illegal move to gain an edge. Do we wait for the 1st game where someone exploited the bug or do we just reset now?
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:46:02

Good Kid 
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I'm not opposed to a reset, just not sure it's necessary, doesn't seem that many games actually had turns taken before the fix.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:50:28


CONQUISTADORS 
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@Good Kid, Bort v Botinator turn 1 from Thailand, is that not splitting troops?
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 04:56:43

Good Kid 
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Whoops, somehow missed that. Though, I seriously doubt Bort beats you whether he cheats or not, he's terrible :P

He did it in West US later on too.

Edited 8/12/2014 04:57:52
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 05:06:20

Ruthless Bastard 
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what if he does lose because of it? what if 1 single person loses because of bug exploiting? only a few hrs into the ladder a reset seems like the way to go.

Edited 8/12/2014 05:07:00
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 05:10:53

Good Kid 
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If 1 person loses because of it, I'd happily vote for a reset, or a redo of that specific game.

There's also the scenario though of someone winning a game that doesn't involve cheating, and then losing the equivalent game after a reset.

Can swing both ways, which perhaps makes it better to only revert games where the winner cheated.

It's unlikely that even 20 games started yet when the change was made to fix the bug.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 05:23:19

Ruthless Bastard 
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If you lose the equivalent game, you could just say you were going to lose the next game. A win taken away is nothing. If i was 10-0 id rather lose that and start over than start 0-1
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 06:39:47


Darkpie 
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In the 3 games that were finished before it was fixed both players noticed it and used split-orders except for Legacy vs Amerlafrance where Legacy followed the rules and won.


I don't think it's necessary to reset, but I wouldn't mind if it were done.

Edited 8/12/2014 06:41:36
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:08:38


master of desaster 
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Split is still enabled.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:16:17


Darkpie 
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^^ If that's the case I think a restart would be good

Edited 8/12/2014 07:23:36
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:27:58


master of desaster 
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Maybe we could just vote a template like 2seasons ago if no split doesn't work. That season is already pretty much fucked up.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:32:11


[WM] Gnuffone 
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yeah. Fizzer let us pick a new template!!!!
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:38:25


Darkpie 
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Nooo! More fun when the seasonal is a new or not commonly played template :)
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:43:05


[WM] Gnuffone 
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for me it's the opposite.
I don't see the point of play a seasonal ladder (that is supposed to be competitive) with a non-common template.
In fact i played the only 3 season that had a classic template:
season 8: 1v1 ME with randomize bonus
season 14: guiroma
season 15: sze poland.

Play a season with new template = who have more time to make practice with new template will win.
In fact every time a new season start with a weird/uncommon template, you can see a dozen of open games with new seasonal template.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:45:58


master of desaster 
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The only thing that can't be practicised would be randomized bonuses so far. And i REALLY like that concept
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:47:02

Ruthless Bastard 
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agree with darkpie. Fizzer makes more interesting picks than the people.

This thing should be reset though.

To gnuff
So its better to use a common template where some people have 1000's of games vs others who dont play as much and might have 1 or 2 games on that template? 1000 games vs 2 games? Do you think when a new template is introduced people make 1000 practice games? Also a lot of the seasonal vets dont practice at all. They prefer to go in to the complete unknown and just wing it.

Edited 8/12/2014 07:51:17
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:51:29


[WM] Gnuffone 
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well yeah.
I think most of us enjoyed randomize bonus.
I think you don't need to practice it. make 0 sense. You just to be very good. Play more games will not help you to play better.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:55:14


[WM] Gnuffone 
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To gnuff
So its better to use a common template where some people have 1000's of games vs others who dont play as much and might have 1 or 2 games on that template? 1000 games vs 2 games? Do you think when a new template is introduced people make 1000 practice games? Also a lot of the seasonal vets dont practice at all. They prefer to go in to the complete unknown and just wing it.


When we picked a well know template, like guiroma, nobody have any ahead. We all know how to play.
Only you are bad at it. That's fun, isn't it? you should have ahead on that template ;)

When LD is get introduce, i remember few players say they played more than 100 games in the early of season. That's is what is really bad. Who have more times to practice, will win!
Also, if you practice it, you will get bored soon when you have to play seasonal games.
In season 8 14 i didn't played any practice games, and just 2 in sze poland agaisnt krzychu. I stopped to play practice games in season 15 for 2 reason:
-is boring
-wasn't very useful

However, look at season 8 and 14. Most of players, were very happy about it.

Edited 8/12/2014 07:57:26
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:58:00


Darkpie 
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When we picked a well know template, like guiroma, nobody have any ahead. We all know how to play.



You mean the small group of players you usually play games with? :P

Guiroma season was my first time playing that template.
No-Split mode: 8/12/2014 07:58:38

Ruthless Bastard 
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When we picked a well know template, like guiroma, nobody have any ahead. We all know how to play.

My 1st time playing it too.

Edited 8/12/2014 08:27:36
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