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Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 14:15:10


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How exactly does the ranking work. I just noticed that Frankdeslimste jumped 5 paced to 8th even though he hasn't played in over a month and his last game was a loss. Is it simply a case of everyone around him losing ground?
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 14:59:42

Qi 
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8 easy steps to exploit the ladder:

1 Play fewer games: the system will rate you higher.
2 Quit the ladder and wait for losses to expire. Rejoin at the most advantageous moment. See Zibik not too long ago to set himself up for a long ladder run.
3 Rejoin before all your losses expire so you play better ranked players: games against lower ranked players create downward pressure on your rating. I advised Niko to do this before his great run. He wouldn't have his top rating if he had started from scratch as planned.
4 If you want a certain rating and competition is unusually fierce, quit the ladder. The more the competition plays, the more they lose. Rejoin once they lose and your rating affords you a relatively higher ranking. See chaos when he gained 1st place.
5 Postpone surrendering. See douchebag and how he got to 2200+.
6 Increase your game count to play better players who recently finished a game.
7 Have great luck: you know fortune favors you when lucky guesses/attacks work or a game you will lose becomes a win. See Gui vs the guy who suddenly disappeared after he had the game won (allowed me to get my highest rating), my latest "win" vs Chris (allowed Chris to get to 1st), and Dunga's "win" vs Oliebol (it should enable Oliebol to get to 2250+).
8 Don't play too many games at once, to avoid boredom or fatigue and to stay sharp like Dick Sharpe.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 15:14:51

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Also, two ways to be a ladder hero without actually playing the ladder:

1 Win a couple meaningful 1v1 ME tournaments and a bunch of live tournaments where winning is a matter of beating one or two other good players. If that doesn't get you hero status, do a great deal of highly visible authoritative analysis of games to make a name for yourself. Then, you won't even need to join the ladder to prove anything and can simply rest on your laurels. Right, Sze?
2 Dominate the ladder when competition is weak or have a fantasticly lucky run of 15+ games to reach 1st and avoid quit the ladder once you lose 1st place.. Then your greatness may become legendary. This may be a side effect of my plan to never play as Gui again.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 15:21:26

Fizzer 
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How exactly does the ranking work


See http://wiki.warlight.net/index.php/Ladder_Ranks_and_Ratings

Play fewer games: the system will rate you higher.


This is nonsense. This has been discussed in the past, and I once made a graph that compared the number of games people have played with their rank. Looking at the graph makes it clear there's no correlation (if anything it was slightly inversely correlated). Go look look at the data yourself and you'll come to the same conclusion.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 15:26:51


his balls. 
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ty fizzer.

So Gui. Whats your deal? You bitter about something?
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 15:30:03

Qi 
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Less games = less of a chance to lose due to luck. Fewer losses = the system has less data to determine your lower bound and gives you a more favorable upper bound. Less data = more assumptins of ability by system. If it is not true, why isn't HHH always ranked in the top 3? His ability doesn't change. He simply plays more games and his rating is most accurate. Others play less and give the system less data. So their ratings are more generous.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 15:31:22

Qi 
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Bitter? No. The forum is dull. Bob Marley told me to stir it up.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 15:43:04


Richard Sharpe 
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Can't say I expected to be referenced in such a thread... quite random there Gui. Especially since I have done shite in the ladder.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 15:56:51

Qi 
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Shiting on ladders brings worse luck than seeing a black cat under a ladder. I think Fizzer made a semi-objective chart that proved this under conditions of 16% luck with shiting delay cards.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 16:12:34

Qi 
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More on ratings: there is more incentive to play fewer games. When Zibik and Chris had 40+ games they never got close to number 1. They each got to #1 by reducing their games played (by quitting the ladder or playing less games slower). Look at the past #1s. Who was #1 with over 40 games played? Who was #1 with 15-20 games? Troll, Fizzer, Me twice, chaos, bytjie niko chris zibik etc. It's easier to avoid losing in 15 games than it is to avoid bad luck across 40+ games. Play a lot and you'll hit a rough patch of bad luck and the system will rate you more accurately. Play less and avoid bad luck and the system will make more assumptions on what your true ability might be, hence the greater fluctuation in rating: the system is still trying to determine what your rating ought to be.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 16:30:46

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you could just as easily argue that playing more games dooms players because they burn out

the guys with over 40 games have a harder time keeping their games straight and devoting the necessary attention and focus to each game

the guys with only 20 games can zero in on their matches and really focus with fewer distractions
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 16:37:16


Vanellope von Schweetz 
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What happens if i lets say started of with 4 losses, after that had like 15 wins in a row reaching a rating of 2000.
Now I decide to quit the ladder and wait for the 4 losses to expire. Will my rating increase or remain stable once they expire one by one?
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 16:41:05

Fizzer 
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What happens if i lets say started of with 4 losses, after that had like 15 wins in a row reaching a rating of 2000.
Now I decide to quit the ladder and wait for the 4 losses to expire. Will my rating increase or remain stable once they expire one by one?


If you're not in the ladder, you don't get a rank.

But let's modify it and say that you didn't leave the ladder. Then the answer is yes, your rank/rating will rise when the losses expire. This happens because your rank is calculated based on the last 3 months of games.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 16:43:15

Qi 
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just as easily? do you also have binders full of charts? provide evidence please.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 16:46:07

Qi 
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simba: quit the ladder. as soon as the 4 expire rejoin. then you are 15-0 and one step closer to ladder nirvana.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 16:56:28

Truthless Hero
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no, i have binders full of women

why do i need charts to argue something i already argued? that makes no sense
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 17:13:28

Qi 
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so which top player vying for 1st is suffering from burnout for having 40+ completed nonexpired games? answer that and i'll agree with you. if it's all hypothetical then there is no use in brainstorming together.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 17:27:03

Truthless Hero
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huruey?
hhh?
lightning mcqueen?
old surehand?
sir f bomb?

all have over 35 active games, most hsve over 50, and are hovering in top ten
focus more on current games and any could reach the top
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 18:40:29


J Russell Mikkelsen 
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...did Fizzer just reveal an alt account in Truthless Hero? Or does Truthless Hero not realize that he's not Fizzer?

So Gui. Whats your deal? You bitter about something?
He quit school and moved to a foreign country where he has no friends to be with a girl because she agreed to marry him. Now she's left him.

Oh, did you mean about the ladder? He became the best player that ever played the game of warlight and waited patiently for the accolades to start rolling in. Instead, every time he opens his mouth, he's roundly mocked. People still refer to a god-like Impaller who's not around any more and some guy who's only really good at warlight decided to offer a couple free live classes to the community and now everybody loves that guy and not Gui.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 19:01:59

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russ, while i would gladly play the alt of any warlight player i wont do it for fizzer. that just crosses the line

i meant that i already made the argument above with my followup statements. no need to provide binders full of women.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 19:20:24


myhandisonfire 
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Some random facts:

Hard to be in China finding a girl that is NOT wanting marry you.
Every exceptional smart persons must feel a little bitterness living in a society, that is dominated by sub-smart donkeys looking for appreciation of sheep.
Gui is funny, witty and speaks his mind. Often his truths and even some of his errors represent the opinion of those warlight players, that are critical, anti-authoritative free thinkers, ergo the smarter people, which often are unwilling to present any of their thoughts to the community. He makes the forums a better place.
When he is not using his main account, he is being applauded by almost the whole forum.
When using his main account, people with hurt feelings have to disagree on every of his verbal arrows piercing the bubble of their hubris and / or hypocrisy.

But you are still more handsome J. Russ. You should stick to that.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 19:21:10


J Russell Mikkelsen 
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Oh, I missed your first comment, Truthless. My mistake. That's why I was confused. It seemed like you were answering a question directed at Fizzer. I was only kidding about being Fizzer's alt.
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 19:24:30

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i know, just wanted to clarify that

had you accused me of being anyone elses alt i would have glady run with it. always enjoy some schadenfreude
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 19:32:35


J Russell Mikkelsen 
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Hard to be in China finding a girl that is NOT wanting marry you.
Yeah, that must be really hard for him. Poor guy.

Often his truths and even some of his errors represent the opinion of those warlight players, that are critical, anti-authoritative free thinkers, ergo the smarter people.
I do love it when you comment. You are hilarious!

The real challenge for Gui is that he has too much truth to spread. Such a daunting task. And he is but one man.

When he is not using his main account, he is being applauded by almost the whole forum.
Only Lion was applauded because Lion was actually funny.

But you are still more handsome J. Russ. You should stick to that.
Stop bursting my hubris bubbles, man! I need those!
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 19:46:19


myhandisonfire 
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Instead, every time he opens his mouth, he's roundly mocked
Only Lion was applauded because Lion was actually funny.

Before there was internet ... logic actually was worth something.

I do love it when you comment. You are hilarious!

hey ... maybe you can get Richard Sharpe and X together to roundly mock me

Stop bursting my hubris bubbles, man! I need those!


Try shouting "Gui away!" Maybe that solves your problems
Question about ladder...: 11/20/2012 21:20:17


Richard Sharpe 
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Wow... I feel special. Two mentions out of the blue in the same thread for no apparent reason despite barely playing this past month. Wow, you guys must really miss me!
Question about ladder...: 11/21/2012 00:41:22

Qi 
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Too bad I went to bed just when the fun started.

Truthless, most of the guys you mentioned are just a tad below the Zibik/Piggy level of play. You give them a bit too much credit, though maybe it is because you can't see the differences.

Dick, the forum is dull. Please do return with Angry White Man insults. The children here should offer plenty of possibilities.

JR, your pent up anger and frustration is palpable. My Gui character evolved into an a-hole. I accept it, and it can be fun here. Why don't you just come out of the closet and embrace your feminine side? With a new account, Warlight could be your own little world to anonymously explore and experiment with your inner self.
Question about ladder...: 11/21/2012 09:26:52


professor dead piggy 
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I like Gui's top tips for ladder domination including 1 he just worded it badly. Having a rating based on fewer games does not necessarily give you higher rating but it is the only way anyone has got over 2200.

Having a tiny sample size of games leads to very inaccurate ratings. For some this inaccuracy works in their favour and they get seriously overrated eg zibik. When there are 20 top players its not unexpected that every so often one of them goes 20 games with only 1 loss.

A good way to get a high score is to take advantage of this inaccuracy because if it goes in your favour you will have a super high score, and if not you can always try again in a few months. This is why so often someone will sit on a personal best/the no.1 spot with very few completed games and then their luck finally catches up with them and they get 3 losses in 5 games. Like Niko, Chris and now Dunga.

The obvious fix is to penalise players ratings the fewer unexpired games they have.
Question about ladder...: 11/21/2012 16:18:27


J Russell Mikkelsen 
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Gui, I like how you call it "your Gui character" as if you're a better person elsewhere in life. As if it's all a charade and you're actually a really considerate and respectful person. "I've only been pretending to be an ego-maniac all this time. I actually feel really awful for demeaning and degrading others these many months."
Question about ladder...: 11/22/2012 01:39:09

Qi 
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I didn't read the rule that said our anonymous accounts had to be the same exact personality that we have in real life, thus blending incognito and real.

J Puss, are you a phlegmatic, sour puss in real life? If you are practicing a role for an upcoming story, I could understand. That would explain your unhinged state and psychopathic comments in our 2v2 games.

I especially enjoy it when you attack me and claim on your profile that you are "more sarcastic. Give up." Then if I am too sarcastic you give up and run to Fizzer crying "Gui bullied me. I wet my pants and the pad I use to contain body fluids from my menstrual cycle wasn't enough."

Instead of having your current misleading tagline (it's you who gives up!), I'd suggest a more truthful one: "I'm unhinged and on the rag. Give up."
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