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My most recent ladder game: 11/4/2012 11:53:05


professor dead piggy 
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http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=3372788

I still haven't worked out how to consistently beat low rated ladder players. Where did I go wrong?
My most recent ladder game: 11/4/2012 12:05:30


Summer 
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Gee thanks. >.>
My most recent ladder game: 11/4/2012 12:27:48


Pink 
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1800 points isnt all that much low ranking
My most recent ladder game: 11/4/2012 12:37:44

JSA 
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In this game, it was all on picks and positioning. He picked better counters that worked very well this game. You didn't play bad, he just did better on picks.

changed name, To a guy with above a 2000 rating, 1800 is pretty low. That's over a 200 point difference in rating.
My most recent ladder game: 11/4/2012 12:40:59


szeweningen 
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4 in australia is the answer to your question. Why not 1/2 ant/SA? Or SA/west africa?
My most recent ladder game: 11/4/2012 13:38:11


Anti-Gui Monkey
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Lion like so much grunt many times. Porky say Sad Monkey no good, make Sad Monkey sad. Lion no watch game. Think like tiger and monkey be clever. Tiger not natural predator of monkey. Think like monkey predator, you eat monkey brain.
My most recent ladder game: 11/4/2012 14:52:26


Pink 
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jsa, but we r still talkiogn from someone who is in top 10 to someone in top 20....
My most recent ladder game: 11/4/2012 22:07:16


professor dead piggy 
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Thanks Szeweningen you are quite right. Lion, I only really know how to play against other top 10 players where a win rate of 70% is plenty. How do I alter my style to get "monkeys" 90% of the time?

http://www.whateats.com/what-eats-monkeys
My most recent ladder game: 11/5/2012 10:28:24


Anti-Gui Monkey
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Slither swallow like boa. Fly claw like eagle. Smooth attack like cougar. Tricky in tree like chimp. Roar like Lion. Rooooooaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr!
My most recent ladder game: 11/5/2012 16:08:38


AquaHolic 
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Lion, interesting analogy
My most recent ladder game: 11/5/2012 17:18:09


brisk • apex 
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i would pick
1 antarctica
2 central russia
3 australia
4 west russia
5 east china
6 west africa
My most recent ladder game: 11/5/2012 20:48:40

The Duke of Ben 
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Sz is correct about this specific game, but I don't think his analysis goes far enough into why you find yourself losing more against lower rated players than higher rated.

I've noticed that HHH seems to have the most trouble with people rated between 1600-1700, and I think for the same reason you lost this game. People at that rating level know how to expand well, can fight all right, and have the other necessary skills to play their position, but they pick "weird."

To have a consistently high rating, you need to pick consistently good locations. Siberia would have been a wasted pick if Summer had gotten his #3 in Central Russia. That makes it a lackluster pick against tons of other picking strategies. That's a good bit of why he's rated 1800 instead of 1900+. Had you picked SA/WA, then he would be sitting on two picks to expand into Central Russia which you counter from West Russia, sealing the game for you in most scenarios.

A higher rated player would never have picked #3-#4 to double-pick/counterpick Central Russia, making your choices fine against, say, Dunga or Zibik (they would still be very likely to pick Pakistan IMO, and make West Russia and Central Russia both a hard thing to defend).

I think you have in your mind a set of areas that are "safe" against good players, and then try to use them against players who have different (frequently less good) picking strategies.

The correct strategy, I think, is to pick significantly safer bonuses against 1800ish rating players, even if you don't expand as well from those. West Africa in your game was a fairly poor expansion spot, but very safe, especially if you could get South America to go with it. You can use your knowledge advantage or their poorer picks to make up for picking sub-optimal picks on your side.

Since players rated less than 1600 can and do pick really randomly, I find it best to simply pick the best spots possible and out-expand them, so that I can win the first encounter and control the momentum for the rest of the game. Trying to pick safe spots or counterpicks against that group, even as high as 1700 rating, can be futile.
My most recent ladder game: 11/6/2012 02:16:20


Summer 
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Guys, i know i suck, but do yous have to rub it in so much. :\
My most recent ladder game: 11/6/2012 03:16:39


professor dead piggy 
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Noone is trying to say that you suck. To be blunt this thread isn't about you.
My most recent ladder game: 11/6/2012 03:45:24


Anti-Gui Monkey
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Summer so sad. Don't cry dry ye eye. Only one king of jungle. Rooooooooaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr!
My most recent ladder game: 11/6/2012 11:26:20

The Duke of Ben 
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If you read between the lines in my comments Summer, I think you will find that I consider you a pretty decent player. The line between 1800 and 1900 can be very subtle, and things like picks end up making a huge difference over time.
My most recent ladder game: 11/6/2012 19:37:11


Ironheart
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I do feel you are stereotyping 1800-1600 players.
My most recent ladder game: 11/7/2012 02:35:14

The Duke of Ben 
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It's true, but some things hold pretty well. There's a reason that people fall into certain ratings, and it's generally not random chance.
My most recent ladder game: 11/8/2012 18:23:45


Anti-Gui Monkey
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Iron no like chimpanzee hierarchy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBUaAx0Duqg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Be careful Iron. Chimp militia find you and feast on ye dead carcass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7XuXi3mqYM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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