"First i didnt stall any of my games when i reached #1 spot because non of my games where over yet. "

Bullshit. You began stalling vs. El Diablo May 28th. You hit rank 1 June 2nd, the same day you also started stalling vs. me. Except you began stalling vs. me 10 hours before you hit rank 1 because you knew you'd lost after turn 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Qng-bIt68

There's a youtube video of our game. You were never, ever, "in" the game. You've been dominated since turn 1, and knew you lost the game so stalled it to get rank 1, and have since stalled it, your game vs. Ottoman Emperor and El Diablo as your only means of keeping rank 1.

And no, everyone didn't know you were a stalling dirtbag, Piggy was quite obviously surprised by that news based on his post.

In fact it's quite obvious you don't want everyone to know, seeing how mad you got when I brought it up.

PS: You're right, stalling isn't against the rules. Neither is me surrendering every ladder game for the next three months at turn 1 so that you get beaten by a 400 rated player.

Do you want me to give you a loss so bad it knocks you straight out of the top 20?

So, I'm curious, how long till you get kicked out of GG for being no more honorable than Odin? Or is honor not something GG actually requires of its members any longer despite the "— good reputation" clause in their recruitment requirements?

It also wouldn't be against the rules for every opponent you get from now on, in future runs on this account and on Ctrl Alt Delete ♦ ɌeLite ♦ to stall every single game against you so you can never get ranked. Wouldn't make it any less lame. The wording of rules is rarely important, it's the spirit that matters, and you're breaking the spirit of the rules every bit as much as Gnuffone has, Pulsey has, and Odin has.

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How many times do we have to go through this? STALLING IS NOT CHEATING. Sure, it is a bit cheap, but not the same as cheating. It is merely gaming the system. Blame the system for that one. I wouldn't do it (and it annoys me too), and I'm not aware of any other WG players doing it either, but that doesn't make it cheating either.

I don't know who's alts are who's anymore (not that I ever had a great handle on it). All I know is that it is quite clear Fizzer has no intention of policing them in any way. So, as a community all we can do is snub Gnuffone and punish him in our own way. Take him off your invite lists, don't invite any of his known alts to anything either. We can't do anything about his ladder antics (since he's already been reported), but we can shun him from all other events.

Edited 6/11/2014 13:36:48

@Chris

No one said it was cheating. No one cares if it cheating. It not being cheating doesn't make it okay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law

Spirit of law is what actually matters to most people. Stalling is against the spirit of the rules whether it's against the letter of the rules or not.

As for whether WG has stallers in it, yes, marc2013 has stalled on the ladder as a means of reaching rank 1.

Edited 6/11/2014 13:44:52

First off, Odin didn't get kicked out of GG because he stalled. It was his partnership with Gnuffone in the 2v2 ladder that got him kicked out, or so I've heard.

I'm not proud of stalling, but I'm not ashamed to do so either, and it always amuses me when people like you start complaining and abusing the player because they don't play the way you like, or because they've violated the 'spirit of the rules', as you say it. I agree with Chris, stalling is cheap, but its not cheating. You don’t like it? You think it crosses your arbitrary line of unsportsmanlike behavior? That's too bad. Hate the game, not the player.

There is the old quote ‘If you can’t beat them, join them’ or if you are really desperate, you can start complaining like sze and repeatedly loudly announce your boycott of the 1v1 ladder until its changed to the way you like. (as if anyone cares whether he participates!).

The ladder system has been like this for a long time. Theres no point moaning and complaining, hoping the world will change to your liking. If you really want the high ranks, adapt, if that's too ‘dishonorable’ for you, then shut up and keep playing, or you can leave the ladder and play with people you like and trust.

Stall on, beavers. :)

Edited 6/11/2014 14:07:27

Stalling = Rank 1 + shame + constant reminders

Despite being against stalling I see pulseys point and agree.

"Theres no point moaning and complaining, hoping the world will change to your liking."

With this logic women shouldn't be able to vote, or drive, or work, or speak against their husband.

We should also all own several slaves, because trying to change the world is silly, and being progressive is silly. Just accept everything as it is without ever attempting to change it.

Infact, quit playing Warlight, go get on a slave ship and start catching prawns.

Idiot.

Edited 6/11/2014 14:41:28

like piggy didnt checked any of my games lol i dont think he is suprised @ all. And do believe what you want about me grabbing the #1 spot with stalling or not im just telling the truth. And i know i did lost against you after the first turn for sure, but i grabbed #1 already before i saw that in our game. WTF why i am even defending myself?? last post about this from me.

But i like your youtube video. I think you are my favorite youtuber right now:) and please surrender all games from now on:)

Peace out!!

Sure, you are right, Nauz. Apart from adaptation, you should also fight for the change you want to see. But is this what you are really doing, picking out players and denouncing them?

'Oh Beavers you naughty boy for stalling against me! You liar, you stalled against el diablo and me! You dont deserve the number one! I am going to surrender all my games just for revenge!'

Seriously? You would sacrifice an account just for the sake of 'revenge'? Grow up. Feel free anyway. It wont affect Beaver's rating much.

If you want change in the ladder, talk to Fizzer. Crying, complaining and scolding people for their ladder etiquette will change absolutely nothing and just makes you look like a fool.

Crying? I'm quite sure no one has cried because Beaver's an asshole.

Protesting things though most certainly has an effect. Even if Fizzer does nothing, if anyone that stalls gets shunned from all invitational tournaments, and is shunned from joining clans, then that's also most certainly an effect.

Protesting things though most certainly has an effect. Even if Fizzer does nothing, if anyone that stalls gets shunned from all invitational tournaments, and is shunned from joining clans, then that's also most certainly an effect.

Clearly its not having much effect. I'm in a clan, so is Odin and Beavers. Funnily you're not in one though. ;)

Horrible strawman argument. I'm no more clanless than you are.

not to mention if you're really going to try and argue that protesting things never has any affect then you're a complete and utter fucking dumbass.

You must have a problem with reading, or maybe you are just very desperate. Did I say protesting never has any effect? I said *your* protesting has had absolutely no effect. Has Fizzer changed anything in the ladder after hearing people like you moan and complain for months?

I'm not sure what you are doing here can even be called a protest. Denouncing Beavers will not help you a single bit in your quest for ladder changes. Instead all you are doing is making a fool out of yourself.

Anyway, keep your language clean. Its amusing but annoying watching people swear to compensate for their lack of intelligence. :)

I didnt have any idea that beavers was stalling, i dont think many others did. Thanks for pointing it out Naz horror, I wont invite him to any more games.

If anyone would be kind enough to tell me who this pulsey guy is, never seen him before.

his previous account was nike.

so... what did gneuf do? I have been fairly inactive but... how did I miss this? Also When was this?

Nauz - You did not call stalling cheating, but some did on page 1.

Looking at marc's run now (he got #1 on 7/9). He won 12 games in a row, lost to dunga (no stalling), beat Roo, then lost 2 more games, won and lost a couple more after. I did not see stalling in any of those games he lost (he took multiple turns in many days, no game went over 15 turns and all turns were done in almost back to back days).

Where are you getting this claim from Nauz?

Chris, I believe he's calling Angry Beavers out, not Johnny.