is there any connection between age and skill?

@Red this is my first comment on this thread i haven't joined in or judged i once thought about making a clan.

oh sorry you posted wrong thread ok am off to find the thread then

So in response to my muse - is it a fair statement to say that mostly the non-affiliated players are better than the clan players? As far as something like that can be judged of course.

I have a feeling the best non affiliated players focus more on 1v1 while many clan members are involved in larger multiplayer games (in some case role playing based ones). I consider myself in that group. I much more enjoy multi player (especially with people I know are solid) than just doing 1v1 matches. More variety that way.

Maybe - but quite a few really great players spring to mind who I would call experts at team games - and most of them are not in a clan.

Do you think a best of the clans could beat a best of the rest? And if so on which map and settings?

There are some really good non-clan members out there I think

Kusanagi of course they are and their some really good clan members anyway 90% of warlight is not in a clan so it will be impossible not to find a single good one out of them all.

There are also people in clans that don't have the Clan name in their name, Supperrainbow is 8th on the ladder and is part of CPU, also we cant judge of the ladders, there are i think only like 6 or 7 of the 25 players in CPU are members

You can't judge all from the ladders of course - but from samples we can extrapolate. Can you think of a different way to take a sample? The ladder drawback is the exclusion of non-members of course - it's advantage is it's comprehensive ranking system consisting of fair games between people of similar levels. More effective than comparing win percentages which can be manipulated much more easily in my opinion.

I don't know about the average. It's impossible to know. Probably all the clan players average out as a mirror image of non-clan players.

But I do know that any time I'm playing against someone new, I'm happy when they have a clan tag. Except apex.

And holy moses do you overestimate your clan, JSA.

Where would you rank [P]?

I am asking honestly not sarcastically. I haven't played many people from some of those clans, but have played quite a few games with a couple of those clans.

J Russell, where would you rank [P]? I'm interested to hear other peoples opinions too...I have a feeling you don't know some of the players in [P] or else you wouldn't say I overrated them a bunch. I was going based off the players I have played in each clan which is quite a few. Out of what I've seen that is where my clan belongs. Maybe I just haven't played with some of the other clan's best players or else you haven't played with a couple of [P]'s top players. I think the Clan League will show us a lot about the best clans and we can see from that.

the main problem would be to decide the population from which to take an average.
when you are a good, established player, who is active in the community, it is easy to make the mistake of thinking that the average warlight player is, for example, ranked in the middle on the 1v1 ladder. i'd disagree.

i think the best way of putting it is to say, 'if you created a 2v2 with no prerequisites, would you rather have a clan player or a non-clan player join your team?' so, i think the population should be "people who joined a game or tournament in the last 3 days", rather than "members participating in the ladders".

i'd say that the majority are most likely noobs, essentially. they'd also be quite likely to get booted or to be hard to communicate with in some way. at the very least, belonging to a clan shows some commitment and they are more likely to be communicative. i dont think the mythical "average warlight player" is likely to be much more skilled than an average {warlighters} member.

if you added a prerequsite such as 300 games played, you would find that the quality of the average player and the average clan member would converge. if you made it 1500 games, there would be no appreciable difference. between red and heyheuhei, or between dunga and zibik is little difference.

those last two paragraphs are all speculation of course, but the query necessitates speculation. there is no way to gague the quality of a player, not even ladder ranking is precise.

what i meant to say in the last two lines is that even if you could draw up a database of the population and take a random sample of those (or even take a minscule opportunity sample), you couldnt definitively measure their average ability.

"Do you think a best of the clans could beat a best of the rest?"

the percentage of warlight players who are in a clan is small, and it is similar with the best players, so obviously the 'best of the rest' would more likely win. it would only be fair to ask that question if there were a similar number of clan members to the rest.

anyway, i think it's fine that some clans have no minimum standards. as long as you join a clan that is on your level, i don't see why there should be a problem. when people criticise clans they often act as if there is no point to them unless their members are better than everyone else. i dont care about proving that someone else is worse than me (though of course i want to win games, tournaments, and rise up the ladder).

I agree with x. Top non affiliated should win vs top clan given the size of the pool to pick the top from.

However the average clan player is better than the average non clan player.

Just saying, i think P must be a pretty "P"itiful clan since they've refused every warlighter challenge, even when they got to outnumber us 6 to 4 (non-custom game of course)...
That's pretty sad, i think they have no right to say anything about warlighters when they can't even assemble enough people to play us. =)
"P"s: i accept all challenges :)

X you should leave apex and join [x] just so that your name would be "[x]x" :P

First of all, he was an imposter, not a REGL member.

Secondly, REGL is mostly open to anyone who we consider a relatively friendly and decent person, can speak at least moderate English, and who is 18+ (usually)

REGL has changed a lot though, just because we allow them to be a part of REGL, does not mean that they are involved in our official clan-matches and such. REGL has its own ranking system, which is in Beta right now, but will change a lot of things. Based on ratings, inactive players become a part of the "Black" division, normal players become part of the "Red" division, and the best and most active players become a part of the "Yellow" division where our teams for intra-clan teams and such come.

I plan on having an official list including the 3 different rankings posted and regularly updated on the Warlight Wiki soon.

In other words, while we accept most players, we only use the best for functioning events and we try to train the lower ranking members to become better.