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Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 14:38:46


master of desaster 
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Two days ago i found out that it's not only a rumour. Gnuffone is killua. Thats a Problem for me, because gnuffones other alt, Marquis de Vauban http://warlight.net/Profile?p=1627801903 participated in the seasonal ladder too.
After i beat Marquis early this season, he surrendered all his games and left the ladder. That costs me probably the necessary Points to get the first rank in the end.

When I confronted Gnuffone with this, he told me, that Marquis has been controlled by Anonymus http://warlight.net/Profile?p=191756466. Anonymus confirms, that he played the seasonal ladder with Marquis, but since Anonymus is inactive now and Marquis took his turns almost always in less than 5min it's very unlikely that it was really him. An inactive Player isn't that addicted by warlight a month ago. The reason why he surrendered his games was a broken Computer (very standard) and he asked gnuffone to surrender the seasonal games and leave the ladder. (they have each other on facebook)

On wednesday, me and some other Players reported him for cheating (again!) but we didn't recieve an answer by fizzer yet.

I wished i would've made that public before the season ended but maybe it's not too late yet to take the win from killua.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 14:43:57


Mudderducker 
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wow that sucks. You really deserved to win also.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 15:27:48


FlyingBender
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welcome in our group. Me and Michael should had the first spot in 2v2 ladder..
I still see lots of master team people playing with gnuffone in tourneys and joining his team..
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 15:34:27


master of desaster 
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well now i blacklisted him and i hope many Players here will do the same. Doesn't matter if he's a good Player. someone like him should't find any teammates in tournaments anymore
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 15:42:14


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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Wait wait wait. You are clear here that Red has been playing the vauban account. So what you are saying is that you would be perfectly fine if red surrenderred the games as he intended anyways since he lost interest, but because Gnu did this for him, you will report him, bash on the forums and treat as the worst shit possible??

I did not report your clanmate thewarlightmaster who was playing TWM AND thewarlightmaster accounts simultaneously on some ladders. I was even paired with both on the same ladder at practically the same time, talked with him about that and he did not see anything wrong about it!!! You guys are extremely biased and hypocritical.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 15:48:34


ps 
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CLAN FIGHT!
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 15:54:12


ChrisCMU 
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If Gnuff had two accounts on the ladder at the same time, I have a BIG problem with that. That should result in a forfeit of all games with both accounts. Note I am saying IF, because I have no information regarding that except what Master of Desaster posted here.

I lost to Marquis as well, and suffered the same loss of rating because he quit playing the ladder. If that is Red quitting, fine. If that is Gnuff, that really sucks because he would have broke the rules of the ladder.

I thought there were instances of Gnuff playing two accounts on other ladders as well, am I correct there?
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 17:15:46


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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To be precise. I know both accounts are gnuffone's but i don't know who was playing these. If one was controlled by gnuff and the other by red, AND if red wanted to forfeit these games you mention, in my PERSONAL opinion it doesnt matter who clicked the syrrender button. The outcome would be the same and i see no cheating nor shady behaviour there. HOWEVER if it was gnu playing both and surrendering in order to gain something, then it is unacceptable.especially when it would not have been first time he broke rules.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 17:34:08

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I don't think MoD was mad over who hit surrender.

I think he doesn't believe Red was ever playing at all, because Red was inactive prior the the season starting, yet the account was taking its turns rapidly within 5 minutes of opponents taking their turns.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 17:43:50


TheWarlightMaster 
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@fridge I joined TWM into the RT ladder to get him points, not to cheat. I think the morals between what I did and what Gnuffone did are very different.

@MoD I truly feel bad that you ended up in this situation, especially with a seasonal ladder. Seasonal ladder you only get one shoot per season, which really sucks.

My question is why hasn't Gnuffone gotten banned yet? Lol is it cuz he bought so many different memberships on different accounts? I guess Fizzer doesn't want to been someone that makes him $$
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 17:44:50


master of desaster 
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Exactly! Purple got my Point. i can't believe that a Player who's inactive now, took his turns with gnuffones alt always that fast.
Why didn't anonymus use his main account? everybody knows that Marquis is gnuffones alt so there wouldn't even be the "alt Advantage" for the first few games when you might underestimate your Opponent. If i had to, i could find like 10 Players who would say they played an alt of me in that Situation.

Just imagine it would've been the other way: killua surrendered and left the ladder and Marquis won. probably nobody would have ever realized it might be gnuffone. But he got unlucky it turned out this way.

And the typical Gnuffone question: "realtime?" makes me even more sure he played against me as Marquis de vauban. Marquis and killua Play just too similar also.

Edited 5/30/2014 17:48:52
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 18:01:15


ChrisCMU 
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I got the real time question as well in my game btw, just looked and it must have been PM as it is not in chat. All that is in chat is me asking him why he was not retired, as i had been told it was Gnuff by someone else (true or not). I did not know Killua was Gnuff until a day or two ago or I would have complained before. Plus it is all second hand information to me.

Edited 5/30/2014 18:05:04
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 18:54:55


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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Maybe i'm naiive but i m not that fast in accusations.

Twm. It's the actions not the reasoning. You played both. It's a fact. I may not believe in story about red playing but i have no proof against it.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 19:25:45


TheWarlightMaster 
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Congrats I played both :P. Did I cheat? No! Lol. You're point is irrelevant. This is about Gnuffles! I want to see what Red has to say when he gets back
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 19:34:41

JSA 
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I take mostly the same stance as fridge.

I think yes, gnuffone would cheat like this because of his past cheating. But I am not sure he did it here.

A couple thoughts that play the devils advocate to mod's point or view:

1. Anonymous and gnuffone were never close friends. It seems weird that anonymous would lie for Gnuffone.

2. Why would Gnuffone intentionally screw just mod? Marquis surrendered his games early in the season when mod, twm, Belzebub, and a few others looked like they had pretty decent chances at winning it. To take out mod (I'm sure Gmuffone would not have expected him to be his main competitor at that point in the season) seems silly and rather pointless. Why not have marquis keep playing the ladder and get killua, and thn surrender to himself? Or have marquis get someone else like twm or Belzebub before surrendering the rest of his games?

Like I said, I'm playing devils advocate here. I personally think gnuffone may have cheated, but just as likely did not cheat. Mod brings up some good points such as realtime speed. But those by themselves do not prove guilt. I think if there is a good answer to my two questions here, I'd have no choice but to believe gnuffone cheated. But as it is, there is no real proof either way, just speculation.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 20:01:58


ChrisCMU 
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my guess is he played multiple accounts to try and get the best set of opponents early, then stop playing the one that had less of a chance of winning the ladder before he faced himself.

Like i said, just a guess. I doubt he tried to screw anyone over in specific (if it was him playing both), it was more about getting the best rating possible.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 23:27:25


Jefferspin 
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He will never be banned...it sucks for you MoD. I think you deserved to win the season but there is nothing that will be done now. This isn't as clear cut as Gui cheating the system on the last seasonal. Just take solace in knowing that, if he cheated, he most likely felt that he couldn't beat others/you without doing so. Who am I kidding with an ego like that, who can't he beat???
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/30/2014 23:33:48


Master Miyagi • apex 
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You were not the only one Michael went 17-3 in 3rd place some pple dropped out against him, also ottoman emperor went 19-1 just joined late. Killua should not have won though
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/31/2014 00:07:27


ChrisCMU 
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Gaming the system is not cheating, not familiar with what Gui did though. Playing two accounts on one ladder is cheating
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/31/2014 00:17:00


professor dead piggy 
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Anyone who thinks an alt that plays super fast, says nothing but "real time?" and loses to a well known gnuffone alt handing it a ladder no1 is not infact gnuffone is naive.

Well done on your seasonal ladder no1 MoD.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/31/2014 01:19:23


Pushover 
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I would love it if Fizzer would grow a pair and make it official.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/31/2014 10:56:30


Julkorn 
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This "realtime?"-Maquis did surrender all his games on 25th April. The same day MoD became 2nd. The next day MoD fell back to 3rd, though not to his own shortcoming, but because his rating dropped for 21 points, because his past victories were rated less. Cui bono.

I would say, unless Red comes here and confirms officially that he handled that alt of Gnuffone and gives a sound reason to why leaving the ladder that day, I protest against this result. Entering seasonal ladder with more than one account is definitely cheating.

Gnuffone would have known this effect to MoD's rating very exactly. He would have known that trying the best for the Maquis would give competition to his better positioned alt by raising MoD's rating. Very few people would have had that in them to continue fighting with that 2nd alt. But those people would have entered the ladder with only one account anyways.

I heard that Fizzer monitors the IP addresses. He could tell us if the Maquis and Killua were handled by different addresses.

Edited 5/31/2014 11:10:43
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/31/2014 11:35:22


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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Your last paragraph would solve every doubt we have. But again - not only surrendering counts but mostly who played all the previous turns.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/31/2014 11:40:21


UnlimitedLawlz
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I like when Gnuff gets blamed for my alt :p
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/31/2014 14:35:48

Pulsey
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Killua should join Maximus Trollitus
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/31/2014 18:17:14


The Great Pulsius 
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Monitoring IP addresses only works if Gnuff isn't using TOR or some other anonymizing service...
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 5/31/2014 18:32:31


[WM] ᵀᴴᴱ𝓕𝓻𝓲𝓭𝓰𝓮 
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if using tor, you would see different ips every other day.. so it's easy to tell
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 6/1/2014 09:46:13


Ineffable 
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That sucks MOD but congrats on a good season.
I have reported Killua Zaoldyeck about a month and a half ago explaining that he is using 2 accounts and asked to check if the IP address of Killua Zaoldyeck and Marquis de Vauban are the same.
of course I did this to try and get a free win not for the purity of the ladder so either my complaint was ignored or Marquis de Vauban and Killua Zaoldyeck don't have the same IP address.
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 6/1/2014 13:59:55


Ⓖ. Ⓐrun 
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1. Anonymous and gnuffone were never close friends. It seems weird that anonymous would lie for Gnuffone.


Yet we've seen Fridge often defend this cheater to the death on the forums.


All three accounts have been reported multiple times. It is Fizzer's responsibility to act here. He needs to tell us whether or not Gnuffone is guilty. He needs to explain the reasoning behind whatever decision he makes (which so far, seems to be nothing in order to protect a regular donor).

Edited 6/1/2014 14:02:08
Gnuffone=Killua=Always a cheater: 6/1/2014 18:14:20


Angry Beavers
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Gnuffone is fizzers main sponser. Thats the reason why nothing will happen. From what i have heard of he has many membershipaccounts. I guess if someone else did he would have acted, i this case he wont.
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