Yes I agree. 101st went through a transformation with Lynx participating separate. WM was playing with well established people.

I know marc got booted against apex with me, but I don't think we suffered any other boots.

That's why we argued 101st (A) <--swap--> Lynx (C).

That definitely would not have been fair imo. Despite it not being practical, it was the fair decision.

No 101st player had contributed to the promotion...

Yes, but the reason it was not done is that it also was not done in the case of BIA (most are CPU players). I don't want to rehash this, but we could not make that judgement call, despite Lynx being much more suited to A than C. The downside is a couple seasons of people playing in the 'wrong' divisions, but it all sorts itself out with promotions anyway quickly.

Why didn't you just kick out the people you no longer wanted in your 'top tier' clan and reform a new clan with those old people? Were you worried they would take it the wrong way? Because all of the good players leaving the old clan doesn't make a huge difference in the appearance of what you did XD.

Let me explain, this is gonna be a long edit and sorry if you reply to the first post.

You guys wanted to make a top tier split and then a normal split for your clan, which totally makes sense. This is the easiest way to manage all of it:

You create a 2nd clan and kick all of those you don't want in the top tier out of the clan. This does a couple things. You get rid of the inactive people right away since they won't join the new clan. You get rid of the people who didn't really like the clan and they get to move on by force, now your 2nd clan full of mostly trainees/not-quite top tier is active and you can reform it easier.

Oh and btw, it makes things simpler for Clan League as well! Since you're not a new clan you don't have to climb the ladder, and you're in A right away. Your new clan starts in C. However the way you did this all was confusing and convoluted. You guys messed up the whole switch and so you kinda forced us all to do the reverse of what you actually wanted.

Edited 10/31/2014 18:29:26

I cant be bothered to answer properly, im sure ive said this quite a few times. So things cut short, We created Lynx before we knew that it couldn't take the position of the 101st in the clan league. I much prefered the name and image of the clan aswell tbh. The 101st had been around for about a year already, so I felt bad kicking players and we didn't really want to buy a clan if none of us were going to be in it. Would you? I still run the 101st btw.

If you still run both 101st/Lynx, then why is it hard to buy the clan page if 'you're not going to be in it'? Isn't the point to have a split in your whole organization? Then at no point is that other clan something you're not a part of. Shouldn't you feel bad that you took all the active really good players out of 101st? I don't see there being a huge difference between actually kicking them out and having them join something new, and leaving and creating a new clan. XD

Leave me be Lolwut :( In some way I shouldn't feel bad at all, this is a short term game, I know no one on here. The thing everyone should and will do is doing things to get the most fun out of it.

I don't see there being a huge difference between actually kicking them out and having them join something new, and leaving and creating a new clan. XD

Your right, shit happens :D

Edited 10/31/2014 22:20:04

You can't defend yourself than Alex... If your reasoning is that you have no reason to care here.

Edited 10/31/2014 23:16:37

What do I have to defend anyway?

Well I'm not exactly saying what you did was wrong. I don't really care if you want to restructure your clan. I'm just saying you can't really complain about Lynx not being in A and 101st starting in A instead if you did things out of order.

Don't ask me; it's you that tried to though.

Right. JSA asked that if they sent all the 'weaker' players to Lynx and used 101st as the Elite division, would 101st still have the spot in A? The answer we gave was yes. They chose not to do that, nothing we can do about that. They decided the name was more important than the clan league division, which is fine. But don't complain about it later. The choice was made lets move on.

Speaking of moving on....

"Right now they are worth 3,4,5 points respectively. I am going to put that up to a vote for committee and see if they should simply be worth 1,2,3 points respectively (point per player) or keep it as is."

I need to know how the games will be weighted ass far as the scoring system will be so I can better judge my line-up.

no change in scoring for this season.

Is this over?

We still have some games left:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Arn0ahIN9qcsdDM2VU9mUnFONmltYjN1ZlBWTDlXV3c&output=html

Race for first...

Apex (165 points, 195 points max):
Frank/grona/Widz vs Chris/Ineffable/Summer
Frank/grona/Widz vs Master/Bjarke/Ree
Frank/grona/Widz vs Fridge/retro.czaknik
Frank/grona/Widz vs GLK/Julkorn/Ottarinn
brisk/grona/Lolo vs Fridge/Falker/OldSurehand
brisk/grona/Lolo vs Miyagi/MOD/TWM

WG (164 points, 184 points max):
marc/mirror/tenshi vs 76myth/Darkpie/GoodKid (boot win for sure)
marc/mirror/tenshi vs BraaK/Flying/Mike
marc/mirror/tenshi vs Miyagi/MOD/TWM
Chris/Ineffable/Summer vs Frank/grona/Widz

The head to head win of apex over WG in 3v3 gives them a great chance of winning it. there is still another HTH to come though.

Lolo-Frank/gron/widz have only finished 2 games, and brisk/grona/Lolo finished 4. I think you put a win on wrong team in score sheet. Total score is still correct.

Edited 11/24/2014 14:16:09

Group A: 94.59% completed

Clan    Points      Win%    Max Points Games Left Rank 
Apex      170      78.69%      195       5      1st-2nd                  
WG        164      73.02%      179       3      1st-2nd
WM        141      60.94%      151       2        3rd
GG        125      53.97%      140       3        4th
AHoL       80      34.92%       95       3      5th-6th
MASTER     74      33.87%       94       4      5th-6th
101st      36      16.67%       36       0        7th

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Arn0ahIN9qcsdDM2VU9mUnFONmltYjN1ZlBWTDlXV3c&output=html

Reminder: I have went ahead and assigned the points from 101st as they're just getting booted from every game.

I updated this because WM took a win over WG and some more games completed. WM has clinched the bronze by 1 point. It would be pretty hilarious to see WM and GG at 141 and 140, but such is this competition.

If Apex wins 2 games, they will have clinched 1st place by 1 point. It is quite possible that this case will be similar to WM-GG's situation, but a win would be a win. There is still the 2nd H2H Apex-WG game to come, but since the 1st H2H was won by Apex the gains by WG will be dampened.

MASTER took a win over WM and is coming back at AHoL with a vengeance. Ema20 for AHoL seems to have gone completely inactive so max points for AHoL are more realistically at 90 rather than 95. MASTER still has quite a tough schedule with 2 Apex games, 1 WG game, and a H2H with AHoL still to come.

AHoL's schedule is 1 GG game, 1 WM game, and the H2H with MASTER.

Given how decisive every game is atm we should see clear results before the end of the year. Good luck to all the competitors.

A pity there were so many boots in my teams :(

However I'm still happy fro my clan to take the bronze medal without really making strongest lineup possible.

Also - big congrats to apex. This clan has acquired quite a few big fish, and will probably hold the title for the next season unless another big competitor suddenly jumps on the scene.. And that in fact may not happen soon..