turtle - srry. f course it was not you saying that.

tell us what you decide - regarding both - the participation and points earned by alts.

time for a poll!

also next to proof i have that we type in the same chats, i also have proof we both speak:

In this game:
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=2408179
you can see that a dutch player where we played a few games with asked us to start a clan on 2012/03/18, and my brother asked him to download teamspeak(he used that a lot for a game called crossfire, i did not use it much/played that game not much.)

In the next game you can read in the teamchat that he can hear us both.(but my sound was not working somehow, so i could not hear them):

i can confirm that what DD is saying here in English is the same as in the chat of the game he linked and showed with a screenshot

note that I thought beforehand that they were the same although this is making me doubt about it to be fair.

Well, how are we to verify that? Unless he has audio to provide, or that person states that he heard two different voices, we have nothing to go on.

Can we get a score update? It is at least 5-6 pages buried now.

goldheadshot and sun-tzu said in the second game they could hear DD but DD couldn't hear them

raw translation: (few points might of slightly but most importants parts are in)
DD: hey
ST: hey
Gh: yo
DD: can you hear me?
DD: i can't hear you
ST: yes i hear you
Gh: i just heard you
ST: maybe put mute off
DD: no, i have that put off

after that they start chatting about picks

edit:
ST 21:50:14, hmm maybe a cable is loose or so

Edited 9/12/2014 19:04:29

Any of you with brothers that you are close with: Would you lie for them if they wanted an alt to remain hidden? If there was a problem with anything, it was me revealing who he was to the warlight community after his ladder run.

I don't know Sun Tzu at all.

wakanarai, I don't understand what you are posting. Those are chat comments in warlight? If so, how do you know anything from the actual voice chat (like that it was two different voices)?

Edited 9/12/2014 21:37:32

Also, another fishy thing...I looked at all those games Woohoo posted. Goldheadshot does about %90 of the talking in public chat. Why none from Orange? That suggests you are the same person. Also, in some games you both got booted, another probable alt sign. Even if you were two brothers in the same house, it is unlikely that two people would forget about a game and get booted. One would remember I hope.

As someone that has teamed with a brother (although only against AIs when set to realtime), the reason for the bootings may not have been forgetting about the game. I know a couple of times me and my brother had to go help with something else and got called away from our computers.

There was only once that only one of us forgot about a multiplayer game (large ffa) and I had to remind him after he fed the dogs.

I don't know Sun Tzu at all.

wakanarai, I don't understand what you are posting. Those are chat comments in warlight? If so, how do you know anything from the actual voice chat (like that it was two different voices)?

I don't know Sun-Tzu as well
I just translated all the messages Sun-Tzu, DD and goldheadshot said in team chat in the screen DD posted on last page. From what they said in there I personally changed my mind but i'm Dutch as well so I'm able to actually read all the chat they said

About the Wohoo part i found this game: http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer?GameID=6419729
Here Wohoo is mentioning something about the picks of GreenTea which i don't think is something a casual player would say but a more experienced player.

That was something i said back on page 7 of this thread that was over 2 months ago already.
It might be that DD took some turns for his "Brother" since i still don't see a way how someone with that little experience would write something like that about the picks in the chat.

talked to Sun Tzu he had a lot to say

to blitz he said
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.

to JSA he said
He who wishes to fight must first count the cost. When you engage in actual fighting, if victory is long in coming, then men’s weapons will grow dull and their ardor will be dampened. If you lay siege to a town, you will exhaust your strength. Again, if the campaign is protracted, the resources of the State will not be equal to the strain. Now, when your weapons are dulled, your ardor dampened, your strength exhausted and your treasure spent, other chieftains will spring up to take advantage of your extremity. Then no man, however wise, will be able to avert the consequences that must ensue… In war, then, let your great object be victory, not lengthy campaigns.

to the turtle he said
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy’s will to be imposed on him.

to Orange he said
The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy. To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. Thus the good fighter is able to secure himself against defeat, but cannot make certain of defeating the enemy.

to Pulsey he said
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

and to the rest he said
He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight. He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces. He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks. He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared. He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.

I feel like I'm in a Koans thread all of a sudden...

Ah well, at least VIW won't get relegated :)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Viz3GlgloChi50YIkMjUsU30xuOTfmd1icPsNrgc8FI/edit#gid=0

Everything is sorted on max points now.
updates group B: 93,94% compeleted

clan   score   win%  max points games left   rank    tourn. wins
20     169     77%     196         6          1st        3
WarL.  130     57%     151         5        2nd-3rd      0
French 122     57%     144         5        2nd-4th      2
VIW    111     48%     125         3        3rd-5th      1
BIA    110     45%     119         2        4th-5th      0
REGL    78     40%      99         5          6th        0
XCD     58     29%      68         2          7th        1

BIA getting pretty close to actually finishing in front of VIW but nothing is decided yet but it also doesn't matter that much since there is nothing for promotion or relegation for both clans. On the other hand French and WarLighters are still fighting for 2nd place which is giving the right for promotion.


Group C: 97,84% completed

clan   score   win%  max points games left  rank    tourn. wins
Lynx   176     75%     191         4         1st        4
BR     134     59%     144         2       2nd-4th      0
Turtle 134     56%     139         1       2nd-4th      1 (Wohoo)
Blitz  130     77%     135         1       2nd-4th      3 (1x desi)
SNinja 121     53%     126         1         5th        2
Swirve  46     19%      56         2         6th        0
Ohms    25     12%      25         0         7th        0

Lynx is officially the winner in Group C. The competition for 2nd place looks be the game between BR and Turtles which desides who will be 2nd and who will be 4th since Blitz will be finishing between them.
For this ending all 3 will lose to Lynx if they still have games against them and all will win against Swirve and Ohms. Neither if those 3 has to face Sninja so they aren't a factor for them at all and 1 SNinja team is likely to lose on triple boot as well in their games left.


A interesting fact is that in both group B and group C the current number 2 with maximal points has no tournament wins so far while 3 other clans below them have at least 1 tournament win already

Group B is all about the promotion place now :D We've stretched the advantage keep it up guys! Also congrats to 20/Lynx :)

The earlier ruling of the desi/Masterofdesaster case has been changed. Blitz did know that masterofdesaster was desi beforehand. However, the punishment they were originally going to receive has been ruled as too harsh by the clan league council. Instead of losing all of their points in the tournaments that desi played in, they will lose all of the 1v1 points desi earned for Blitz, as well as 1/2 of the 2v2, and 1/3 of the 3v3 points. Wakanari, can you please figure this up in your standings (Include up to one decimal point if needed).

Excluding my vote, the council has still decided that Woohoo is Orange. Therefore, Orange and Woohoo will be suspended for one season (same as master of desaster/desi). Both of these players (master of desaster and Orange) will be readmitted for Season 7 of the Clan League.

....... Reinstating points to Blitz isnt fair to BR......


We are waiting for BR to accept out surrenders. BR wins :|

Not reinstating points to Blitz isn't fair to Blitz.

We were simply correcting our earlier mistake.

"The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy’s will to be imposed on him."

It's a family trait.....Makes mealtimes a bit ermm... interesting.

There is no proof we are alts but loads of proof we are not alts. by puniching us you make the leage organization look unreliable. also JSA has clearly a alt and even the argument that he(or exely his alt) did say from the beginning that he was his brother are not true. and next to that he abused his mod rights and got stiped from it by fizzer. it is unacceptable that someone like that is in the organization of the clanleage. if i and my brother are suspended from the clanleage next season that this leage is nothing but a joke for taking such a unfair disision.

You know the saddest part of your comment, Orange. My vote had nothing to do with whether or not you would be allowed to compete in the clan league.

And you are clueless about my mod rights.

And just because you say it is a joke does not make it a joke. 5 seasons of being one of the most popular leagues on warlight does not make something a joke.

We aren't always going to make the right decisions, but a vast majority of the time, we will, and I believe the council members have made the right one in this case. Case closed.

Edited 9/14/2014 01:01:29