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Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:13:04


{RSP} Nike
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I'm thinking that warlight should have an "Account sit tool"
Setting Vacations dont work when people are going for holidays longer then 10 days, and some games don't honor Vacations anyway.
If you let that person account sit for you while you are away, He can help you play your games, but will have no access to your settings.

What I rec ommend is a separate button for " account sitting" in the settings. There you will get to choose people to account sit for you and account sit for others. You can send requests to other players to help you account sit, or accept account sits for others, and get acess to their games. There can also be an icon next to your username for that period, and if someone clicks yor profile, they'll see something like 'being account sat by player', it's actually similar to the concept of vacations we have now.

What do you guys think?
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:15:33

Heyheuhei 
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You are other Arun account maybe?
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:24:27


Ska2D2 
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Cool so I can get HHH to play my tourney games for me?
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:24:58


{RSP} Nike
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Of course not. Why did you say that?
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:26:02


{RSP} Nike
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@ska: you can ask him to, but he must accept your request.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:27:10


{RSP} Nike
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It's sorta like giving others your account info to help you play while you're gone, but this is official and more secure.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:29:39


Ska2D2 
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I was being sarcastic, if this was available I could chum up with the best players win tourneys and shoot up the ladder all without winning any games myself. You see the problem now?
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:34:33


{RSP} Nike
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That can't be prevented even without this idea. From your comment, you might as well give hhh your account email and password so that he can do all those things for you.
My idea is similar to giving your password and email to another player, except he doesn't get your settings and account info.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:37:00


{RSP} Nike
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What you are suggesting is that another player will use this system so that he can get better players who are his friends to help him play. Well he can jut give them his email and password to do that. Do you understand my point?
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:41:27


Ska2D2 
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Yes currently you are cheating your opponents in the games you play and you want to make this supported by the game. How do you think your current opponents would feel if they knew any games they lost against 'you' lately were actually games played against Aggressive?

Just because cheating is possible does not mean it should be encouraged or supported by the game. The point of your own account is that it is you who makes the moves.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:48:57


{RSP} Nike
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You certainly think too mch, what My idea started wasnt to support cheating, but merely a way for players to not get booted while goin on long holidays. I agree my idea is certainly not flawless, but perhaps on the right track.

I was hoping to see what fizzer would say about this first.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:50:47


Ska2D2 
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Think too much? lol why would using you brain be a bad thing? You tickle me Nike. If you want to talk to Fizzer email him. If you put an idea in a forum expect comments.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:53:04


{RSP} Nike
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Sorry what I meant was I wanted comments AND a commet from fizzer himself.
You tend to think negative with your brain ska.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 10:54:40


Ska2D2 
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Sorry Nike.

Nike you are amazing such a clever idea! Three cheers for Nike woot woot woot. You are the bestest and I love everything you say.

Does that make you feel better now?
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 11:31:56


hedja 
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Ska, don't be so mean to him :D
It isn't a bad idea anyway nike
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 11:45:26

RvW 
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Any chance we can keep this constructive...? :(



While I'm not sure this would be a good idea, it does have some benefits:
  • No need to share passwords (always a bad idea)
  • The game knows you're doing this


That last bit is important because it gives you the following possibilities:
  • Show a clear notice who is really taking the turn, this is more fair to opponents than the current "system"
  • Prevent access to games where the account-sitter is on the other team
  • Possibly prevent access to games which honour vacations anyway
  • Make it an option (as we all know, WL has far too few options, it really needs many more options!!!111) whether account-sitters are allowed to take turns.


Together with the vacations setting this gives four combinations:
  • Vacations not honoured, account-sitting disallowed:
    For relatively fast games, where you are "sure" everyone is playing as themselves. Probably not ideal for long-running tournaments.
  • Vacations not honoured, account-sitting allowed:
    Still has fast games, but the tournament as a whole can take a long time (such as those with a thousand participants), because players are not automatically booted.
  • Vacations honoured, account-sitting disallowed:
    Everyone plays their own turns, at the cost of slower games, especially over the summer period.
  • Vacations honoured, account-sitting allowed:
    Note that this would only allow sitters to take turns when the player themselves is on vacation!


Miscellaneous notes:

It would be nice to allow multiple account sitters simultaneously, for the situation where you are in a game against each of your potential sitters (because they can't play in those games).

There has been a suggestion to let booted players replace their AIs when they get back and want to play again. Such an option would decrease the necessity for account-sitting in my opinion.



I'd like to propose an alternative solution: Configurable maximum-length for vacations.

When creating a game and choosing the "honour vacations" option, you get a setting for maximum vacation length allowed (which would probably default to the current value of ten days). If I'm not overlooking anything, this setting cannot be lower than the shortest boot time (since it would not make any sense).

Since vacations are a compromise between the needs of the players not on vacation and the needs of the players which do go on vacation, I think it makes sense to allow some tuning.
When a player wants to set a vacation he would get a message telling him the maximum length vacation possible (the shortest allowed-vacation for all games already accepted and not yet eliminated from). Of course, it would still be possible to set a longer vacation; then WL shows a list of games the player will likely be booted from (preferably listing, at least, auto-boot times for each game, since it's the only non-preventable boot and it might be set higher than the max vacation length).
When the player clicks the confirmation button, WL automatically boots him from each game:
  • In which no orders have been committed, which doesn't honour vacations and which has an auto-boot shorter than the vacation he just left on.
  • In which no orders have been committed, which only honours shorter vacations and which has an auto-boot shorter than the vacation he just left on.

Additionally, every time a turn advances, WL immediately auto-boots players:
  • If the game does not honour vacations and the remaining vacation time left is longer than the auto-boot.
  • If the game only honours vacations shorter than the vacation time set and the remaining vacation time left is longer than the auto-boot.


Booting players immediately has two goals: making games progress faster (not waiting until auto-boot for orders which won't be committed anyway) and making sure people have an incentive to not set a vacation (much) longer than the one they are actually going on.



I think the above two systems cannot co-exist (that would make the logic ("rules") far to complex and (with very high likelihood) exploitable. So, let's hear it, which system would people prefer?
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 13:25:37


{RSP} Nike
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Yiu're right rvw, ska's such a meanie :'( bad ska! No three cheers for him! :P
Back to the point, yes, good points up there, Rvw, certain games can badminister so that account sitting is not allowed, new rules may be applied like in the case of account duping too. :)

I'm waiting to see what fizzer thinks.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 14:51:08


awesomely bitchtastic beta 2.o
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Nike I also Forgot to tell you im Flying to Alaska today to visit my with some family and friends i wont be able to watch after your games for the next weak and a half Jabers is watching after my account for awhile if you want you might have to get into contact with him to watch after yours as well ill go to the library everyonce in awhile and get on but i doupt ill have the time to play any games
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 16:29:50


{rp} hay 
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Interesting idea, I especially like RvW's insight on it. Even if it is cheating, it would be nice to know when an opponent has someone account sitting and who that person may be.

And the setting could be disabled for important events such as ladders
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 18:26:00


Luxis • apex 
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I agree with Aggressive's point in this discussion.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 20:17:40

BishesUpInErr (AHoL)
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Lol @ Luxis.

On topic: I don't think this is a terrible idea. RvW outlined the way I feel about this, so I won't re-post what he said, but overall, I'm in favor.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/11/2012 20:56:37


Frankdeslimste • apex 
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I kinda like this idea as well, we all know it's happening anyway, this way you get to know who you are really playing which is a plus.

And RvW; you don't really have to share passwords, if you go on vacation you can change your password and then change it back when you are back from vacation.
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/12/2012 01:49:07


{RSP} Nike
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Yes, but if this account sitting tool is used, the need to share passwords won't be necessary .
Suggestion: Account sit: 8/12/2012 08:39:03


{RSP} Nike
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Its k, agressive, I'v decided to come back on Tuesday. I'l try to make the games with viw too.
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