Soviets and Nazis are not the same IMO. The Nazi party was in power for like 12 years, and committed genocide. USSR was in power (in Russia) for like 70 years. They did some shady things, but nothing on the level of the Nazi party.

And Ian, I don't think America (with Native Americans) is the same thing. Yes, I think it was bad what they did to Natives, but they essentially just kept booting them from their lands that the Government wanted. It's not the same as rounding them all up and gassing them in mass. Another stain on US history is slavery of course. Every nation probably has black eyes (some more than other). I think genocide is another level though

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The bloodiest events in the USSR took place during Stalin's reign. The 2 standout genocides were committed within the first decade of Stalin's rise to absolute power. These 2 genocides could be argued were on par with the actions of the Nazi's.

The following are articles on regarding the 'Holodomor', the first genocide.

http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/ukraine_famine.htm
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/stalin.htm

This is the second one. Its about 'Yezhovshchina' or the Great Purge. Something I consider on par with the activities of Gestapo, or any other secret police agency that repressed the populace.

http://www.memorial.krsk.ru/eng/Dokument/Public/200711074.htm

Do you know how bad the Soviets were? They starved the entire Ukrainian population and forced them to go east into Siberia. The Soviets founded many corrupt "Communist" Regimes in Eastern Europe, North Korea, and many others. If you studied these regimes, they are AWFUL, and most of them COLLAPSED because of it, except for North Korea. Do you know, how corrupt North Korea is? Thank the USSR for that.

Who are you to tell me that a man killing 20 Million People just so he can maintain power is not as bad as a man that killed 10 Million Jews to maintain power?

Hitler and Stalin killed people to maintain power. Hitler rounded the Jews up, and gassed them. Stalin froze them to death. Have you learned your history about the Soviet Union before you made these posts?

If you are a German living in Nazi Germany, the life was good. If you are a Russian living in the Soviet Union, you would see how corrupt and bad the system is. If you are a Jew living in Nazi Germany, life was bad because your people were being gassed.

As for the Native Americans, the Americans pretty much massacred them and killed everyone. You know in Florida, they tried getting rid of tribes there and failed? Have you learned your history? You have been brainwashed by American Propaganda and you don't even know it. You raise the American flag, you know what that represents to the Native Americans that remember the horror?

People helding the Swastika in western world are mostly people who support the Aryan race. Do you support it ? no , then why you use it as profile picture?

By your logic, just because most people do it, means all people do it. MOST IS NOT A SYNONYM FOR ALL.

If you are going to respond to my argument, please use a logical and valid counter claim.

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I like the new guys.

Lawlz, we were Nazis before it was cool l0l

A Nazi-based clan using the Nazi symbol as their logo (this is obviously pertaining to before we changed it), what is the problem here?

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In response to: "Soviets and Nazis are not the same IMO. The Nazi party was in power for like 12 years, and committed genocide. USSR was in power (in Russia) for like 70 years. They did some shady things, but nothing on the level of the Nazi party. And Ian, I don't think America (with Native Americans) is the same thing. Yes, I think it was bad what they did to Natives, but they essentially just kept booting them from their lands that the Government wanted. It's not the same as rounding them all up and gassing them in mass. Another stain on US history is slavery of course. Every nation probably has black eyes (some more than other). I think genocide is another level though"

How stupid are you, really? Don't mean to offend you (Actually, I do), because I will go ahead and point out EVERYTHING wrong. For one, no shit they're not the same. Two different ideals going on right there. Second, just because they weren't in power for the same time, doesn't mean they're not the same, I don't know HOW you just inferred that. Third, the Soviet purges were much worse than the Nazi's roundups and gassing. "Oh no but the Jews died!" That's nice, but at least their OWN people weren't murdered left and right or starved. In the Soviet Union, people starved and froze and were left in exile in Siberia, or in jail, or just straight up executed, just so Stalin didn't have to worry about power threats. Hitler did this too but he left his own people alone. Americans did this, too. "Oh but it's just Native Americans!" It's the same scale of a genocide. The end.

Also in response to: "People helding the Swastika in western world are mostly people who support the Aryan race. Do you support it ? no , then why you use it as profile picture?"

'The word Aryan was therefore adopted to refer not only to the Indo-Iranian peoples, but also to native Indo-European speakers as a whole, including the Romans, Greeks, and the Germans. It was soon recognised that Balts, Celts, and Slavs also belonged to the same group.' - Wikipedia

Hitler was simply "pro-white", as someone would put it. So are you saying every white person who's proud of being white and neglects other races is a Nazi?

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Ku Klux is moving in the same direction. Though they may say " White power ! ", more and more of 'em are like ' Black people are equivalent to white people, but let's celebrate diversity! '

Hitler didn't invent the Swastika instead he copied it and made it evil - I think it originally ment something good. ALSO: This is history and we must learn from our mistakes therefor we shall keep it.

We can compare evil regimes, organizations and dictators all day, but in the end does the fact that one has 'more kills' justify or lessen the other's actions? Not to me

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We can compare evil regimes, organizations and dictators all day, but in the end does the fact that one has 'more kills' justify or lessen the other's actions? Not to me

The thing is, there are soviet clans and other nazi clans, my good fellow.

Name one.

Are you seriously saying this?

http://warlight.net/Clans/?ID=85

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht

same logo.

Hitler was simply "pro-white", as someone would put it. So are you saying every white person who's proud of being white and neglects other races is a Nazi?


Source: Wikipedia

That's why people don't love the Swastika either.
They ban it because we live in the western world.

Nobody is arguing nazis are bad. Now grow the fuck up and get over it. They are not gonna spend another $15 just to make you feel better.

@Dark Magnus

It seems like the only person who doesn't like nazies on this thread is 6th Army Group.
Read the biograph of 6th Army Group and you will understand.

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Then stop arguing for the sake of arguing

Funny how no one has mentioned the wrath of the evil Japanese Empire.

It was magnitudes worse than the harm caused by the Third Reich, yet no one mentions it, and the Japanese government even tries to cover it up completely.


What about Genghis Khan? No one mentions him either. The Pope (<--)? No, it's all "nazis are bad", "communists are bad", "anything not capitalist is bad". Maybe you should look into the mirror and see the actual problem.

Instead of crying about the past, you should never make those mistakes again and be happy in the future. It's a goddamn image. A stream of bits. In fact, the only thing that puts the image to life is your web browser. Don't want to see it? Use Lynx or some other 20th century crap.

nobody seems to get the point that you cannot challenge my argument, going back and forth about "morals", seriously.

Like I said, it's a Nazi-based clan using a Nazi symbol as their logo; how is that any different than an American-based clan using an American flag as their logo? If a 21x12 image offends you, I don't think WarLight is the type of game for you.