that's a stupid idea. i have seen leaders of both genders and bossy people of both... don't know who came up with that but they are idiot's in my opnion

Let's hear X's take on this :)

You know, after all of the things Americans try to ban, I'm not surprised people want to ban the word bossy.

I think feminists need to understand something about equality : They ARE being treated rather equal in the workplace in the sense of pay. That guy is buying your dinner. I think they aren't in management positions because they're always asking to be a secretary.

I want to keep the word ban

This isn't really a "thing" here in the states. Not sure how you found this, but it's a pretty obscure marketing campaign the Girl Scouts are doing. In effect, it's nothing more than an advertisement.

Let's hear X's take on this :)

they are trying to treat the disease (reinforcement of traditional, patriarchal gender roles) by attacking an extremely minor symptom (a particular word theoretically used to discourage girls with leadership skills). i would prefer a generally more positive approach that emphasises the ability of young girls to become leaders rather than 'banning' a word, which is not an inherently sexist word.

to "ban" a word is obviously an absurd notion, and the campaigners are obviously not literally trying to remove a word from the english language. i think what they are trying to do is raise awareness of teachers/parents who might find assertive girls to be shrill, and not realise that they are unconsciously reinforcing gender roles. when i heard it i certainly thought about my little cousin, who is always telling me to do this and that when we play together, telling everyone where to stand etc. being a fucking amazing feminist i trust her judgment and do whatever she says, but i do recall her mother calling her "bossy" for it.

tl;dr: they aren't wrong but they're going about it in a shitty way, although obviously not as shitty as their MRA counterparts.

"discuss."

This isn't really a "thing" here in the states. Not sure how you found this

this actually did the rounds on the internet months ago, i don't even remember where i saw it. creepy maladjusted neckbeard antifem douchebags seize on just about any minor thing, twist it and present it as evidence of ... feminist iniquity, or whatever the fuck goes on in these people's minds.

actually looking at the website again i was far too even-handed. it's fairly obvious to anyone with the most basic reading comprehension what they are trying to do (and it isn't to literally ban a word), and it is supported by what we in the logic business call "facts" and "statistics", which do not deserve mockery. i have no problems with the campaign at all and they shouldn't have to fit their message around anticipated reactions of retarded neckbeards trying to push their misogynist agenda.

Their facts are bullshit.

How many top companies have a female ceo? What % of their upper management/boardroom are female? How many countries have a parliament/congress with a majority of women?

Are their statistics definitely, 100% accurate? No, but they don't seem absurd either.

i find all "assertive" people to be shrill regardless of gender

banning the word bossy sounds rather bossy

X wouldnt it make more sense to keep using the word and just take away the negative conotation?

The idea is that bossy isnt just a symptom of the problem, but that its part of a cycle, women are told to stop being assertive therefore there are fewer women with power therefore women are respected less therefore women are told to stop being assertive.

I break this cycle in my own head by (dis)respecting people whether they have power or not. Maybe the feminists could take a leaf out of my book?

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ban the word bossy?

this is directly infringing on 1st Amendment Rights.

Ian, that sounds pretty bossy of you.

http://archive.avoiceformen.com/video/FemalePaedophileSexual.mp4?_=1

She's not bossy, she's just being assertive in her sexuality :)

I break this cycle in my own head by (dis)respecting people whether they have power or not. Maybe the feminists could take a leaf out of my book?

By insulting children?

i'm not sure this is an issue that merits much discussion, really. all it says is to not discourage young girls from showing qualities of leadership. if you don't think that it is an actual problem, consider that the girl guides know more than you, Internet Misogynist, about child development.

righ knight - i don't quite see the connection between bossiness and paedophilia. but that's possibly because i'm just a radically mainstream extremist conservative feminist.

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Bossiness is the worst parts of qualities of leadership. Leaders are inspiring and visionary, they motivate and cultivate people below them. Bossy people are officious and lazy. Its wrong to encourage girls to be bad leaders while we teach boys the critical thinking and vision to be true leaders. Instead of banning bossy we should encourage young girls to aim a little bit higher. This is my problem with most of "feminism" a lack of ambition.

Noone calls angela merkel bossy, and she shows "qualities of leadership".

Today's feminism is inherently misogynistic because it assumes that women are the weaker sex and need affirmative action to be on equal standing with men. I think women in general are better than that.

i don't quite see the connection between bossiness and paedophilia. but that's possibly because i'm just a radically mainstream extremist conservative feminist.

The way she was conducting her business. She wasn't bossy since that word is not allowed, but we can say that she was rather aggressive, considering that the act was not consentual on the boy's part.

If a middle-aged, fat man would have forced himself on top of an underaged girl in a public transport, he would face years in prison for attempted rape. If a middle-aged, ugly woman forces herself on top of an underaged boy, it's just funny and he should consider himself a lucky guy. In some countries, the boy might even get charged with attempted rape because according to the law in those countries, a woman cannot commit rape.

So Piggy, the use of the word "bossy" is sometimes applicable. I agree. As you put it, there is no actual issue involving assertive girls being unfairly demeaned by the insult "bossy". This isn't unreasonable, maybe they have misidentified this problem.

But as I already fucking told you, I'm fairly certain the Girl Guides know more about child development than you do, that pretty much being their entire purpose. So maybe you could stand to be a little less assertive, hmm?

She wasn't bossy since that word is not allowed,

If a middle-aged, ugly woman forces herself on top of an underaged boy

And you would describe this as "bossy"? I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic which is to do with encouraging children to become leaders.

Also, not sure what looks have to do with rape ... unless you're implying that rape isn't so bad if an attractive person is doing it ... which would be very insulting to male rape victims as well as the less important kind.

"the Girl Guides know more about child development than you do" - An appeal to authority. What exactly do the girl guides know?

Ill be less assertive when it is shown i am wrong, up until then Te doesnt give me a lot of wiggle room.

And you would describe this as "bossy"? I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic which is to do with encouraging children to become leaders.

Also, not sure what looks have to do with rape ... unless you're implying that rape isn't so bad if an attractive person is doing it ... which would be very insulting to male rape victims as well as the less important kind.

This thread is about whether the Girl Guides' and feminists' initiative is sensible at all, and the negative side effects of it. Trying to make it shameful to call bossy people bossy is insincere, and does not promote leadership skills in anyone.

The typical feminist narrative of the rape problem: ugly, fat, middle-aged neckbeard men raping young girls. I wholeheartedly agree with you that this is offensive.

I'm happy to see that you can identify a large part of feminist propaganda as either offensive or nonsense. Give it a few months, and you might be the next "righ knight" or "neckbeard internet misogynist" ;)

An appeal to authority. What exactly do the girl guides know?

More than you?

This thread is about whether the Girl Guides' and feminists' initiative is sensible at all, and the negative side effects of it. Trying to make it shameful to call bossy people bossy is insincere, and does not promote leadership skills in anyone.

And what has any of that to do with rape?

The typical feminist narrative of the rape problem: ugly, fat, middle-aged neckbeard men raping young girls. I wholeheartedly agree with you that this is offensive.

Offensive to who ... ugly, fat, middle-aged neckbeards? (Like you?)

Everyone's a victim nowadays, aren't they?