Romans 4:1-5 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

This verse describes how even in the old testament, believers were still justified through their faith; the sacrifices they performed had nothing to do with salvation. The old testament saints had to look forward towards the crucifixion of Christ, and we have to look backward, and I'm very thankful that we get the easier end of the deal.

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I'm glad that you're understanding, now it’s really strange to post verses to people who don’t hold the same beliefs as you to conform to your morals because you are quoting a book that they don't read. People that aren’t Christians have never tried to force their morality on Christians, so this is an odd practice in Christendom. Even Jesus didn’t blame pagans for acting like pagans. Yet, you insist that your beliefs apply to the culture at large even though most don’t share your beliefs.
What you need to face is that public perception has shifted. You live in a post-Christian world where you’re no longer relevant to the culture at large. Whatever influence Christians used to have, much like a parasite trying to reconnect to its host for fear of dying, many of you are thrashing about trying to create waves and convince people you are relevant within the culture.
I don't understand the fact that why do so many Christians think their social media feed is a place to show the world their weirdness? It gives the impression that if you’re going to follow Jesus you also need to become socially awkward.
I'm not telling you that you should stop that, do it in person but the internet, especially a game's forum (even if it's allowed) is definitely not a good idea. It makes you look weird.
If I follow a person or someone's teachings and go around the internet posting his sayings randomly, what would that make me? Would that make me look very moral? Wouldn't there be hundreds of threads for each ideology? Each country? Each great personality?

Goodbye!

Hm... the views held by a third of the world's population are no longer relevant... something doesn't quite click there.

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Matthew 28:18‭-‬20 NKJV

Commentary: I think that answers your question, Gany. 😉

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LND:
Hm... the views held by a third of the world's population are no longer relevant... something doesn't quite click there.

Also LND:
And I agree with Aura about grouping Christians together, not a good idea.

That is contradictory.

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@Gany I follow an agnostic who ran for US president for the Libertarian Party in 2016 on Facebook, and one time he posted a verse from the bible because he thought it was a nice verse... people accused him of "bible thumping".
Christianity will never be relevant to the world's culture.
I don't post Christian content on my social media, partly because most of my friends are atheist anyway. I just saw this forum thread one day and thought I'd join in.

Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Proverbs 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.

God knows that the world is corrupt, yet the world denies it's corruption and instead calls it humanity or decency. God then commands us to be separate and distinguishable from the world.

Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

One quality that God always displays is a love for distinguishing features between people, animals, plants, and foods. In the beginning, he created male and female, then at the tower of Babel, God confounded the people's language so that they spake in diverse tongues. In the new testament, God commands men to have short hair, and women to have long hair; men to wear clothing pertaining to me, and women that which pertains to women. One thing to note is that God never specifies a length for when hair is long and when hair is short. He doesn't want a gray area to exist; he wants the differences to be accentuated, not muted.

Commentary: I think that answers your question, Gany. 😉

Exactly, and that's what makes us hostile to Christianity. Sanātana Dharma (eternal order aka Hinduism) and other Asian religions state that you don't need to follow a particular religion or god to succeed, karma (deed) in the present affects one's future in the current life, as well as the nature and quality of future lives - one's saṃsāra (cyclicality of all life).

then at the tower of Babel, God confounded the people's language so that they spake in diverse tongues
LMAO, see? This is what I'm talking about.

I'm glad that you understood Pepe.

Hm... the views held by a third of the world's population are no longer relevant... something doesn't quite click there.
Not every Christian read bible and follow his teachings, most of you are just ignorant.

@Aura - they are about two completely different things; one is simply a statistic about how many people in the world identify as Christian, the other one (if I remember correctly) is talking about creation/evolution worldviews. They are not at all contradictory.

@Gany it is true that not every person who calls themself a Christian reads their Bible and follows Jesus' teachings, but the statement is equally applicable to all religions and even atheism. It doesn't support your point.

Not sure what point you're making with your Babel reference.

Huh! It doesn't according to other thousands of gods and religious texts. Christianity is outdated, admit it. My point was to state that even Christians don't read the bible, so posting to non-Christians is totally proselytizing. Duh, you're so much misinformed, this is what happens when the Bible or Quran is your primary source of education. Disrespect, disregard and ignore other religions teaching.

BTW what reason do you have to deny other thousands of god and hundreds of religions? What if one of those religions is true and yours false? How would you answer their god?
That's why you should always keep your mind at least a little bit open to accept the bitter truth, don't just bash around with your religious book.

Not sure what point you're making with your Babel reference.
Languages evolved through a gradual change in human understanding over time. The tower of babel myth totally discredits human efforts. My point was that it's relevant to only a few orthodox Christians and Muslims most other people reject this theory.

Just like Aura Guardian stated:
Religions themselves debate amongst themselves who is the true religion. Is it Christianity? Islam? Judaism? Hinduism? Buddhism? Baha'i Faith (btw I think Baha'i is a really cool concept)? Therefore, just accepting one of these to be irrevocably true and inexplictly intertwined with every aspect of life is just simply inappropriate. By doing so you really don't give any of these other religions any acknowledgement. However, if you are willing to split your frames of reference you can find space to accept and respect all of them.
https://www.warzone.com/Forum/395813-verse-day?Offset=163

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Us Christians didn't just pick a religion and go with it. There is tons of evidence for the Bible. We didn't just say "ya, I will go with this religion" after looking at the choices.

We read the Bible, go to church, and follow God's commandments the best we can.

"HaHa ChRiStIaNs ArE sO sTuPiD" Wow, never heard that before, thanks, now I'll change my beliefs because of your very convincing argument.
"... karma (deed) in the present affects one's future in the current life," That's precisely what makes Christianity different from all other religions, nothing that you do will get you to heaven, only belief in Jesus.
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all have one God. Hinduism has many gods. How can both monotheism and pantheism be true?
Btw, if Islam is true I'm safe, because the hadith says that all white people were predestined to go to heaven.

"HaHa ChRiStIaNs ArE sO sTuPiD" Wow, never heard that before, thanks, now I'll change my beliefs because of your very convincing argument.
I didn't say that, but at least you admit you're stupid. You're welcome!

That's precisely what makes Christianity different from all other religions, nothing that you do will get you to heaven, only belief in Jesus.
That's precisely what shows that Jesus was sham.

Hinduism has many gods.
Hinduism spans a wide range of beliefs such as henotheism, monotheism, polytheism, panentheism, pantheism, pandeism, monism, atheism and nontheism.
Read more here: https://www.swedishnomad.com/facts-about-hinduism/

So much hypocrisy. No appreciation of truth. I'm done.

Lol.

John 15:18-20 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

Whenever someone says nonsense in the vein of "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians," just know that Jesus said that they are lying.

@gany,you've been saying you're done here for a while now...

Okay, gany, I was going to send a rebuttal, but there were some simply so many logic sequences you made that make absolutely no sense to me, that I don't think I will try.
For example:
Christian don't read Bible therefore quoting Bible is proselytising.(?)
Christianity is not about ticking boxes by following rules, therefore it is a sham.(?)
Hinduism is both a religion with god(s) and atheism. (?) Not sure how you define atheism, but I'm pretty sure it means "no god".

The reason I am not "splitting my frame of reference" and being "more open" to believing more than one religion is that they are all contradictory; you can't possibly believe all (or even two of them) whole-heartedly! To try to do so would be to undermine both of them! For example, if Christianity is true, then Buddhism cannot be true, since Christianity teaches that there is a God while there is no God in Buddhism. You cannot pick more than one; it is one of them or none of them.

Hinduism, by the way (not just talking to gany here), if the Hindu monk that I talked to on a Religion and Society excursion a couple years ago is to be believed, is a form of monotheism; Hindus believe that there is one spirit/god known as the Brahma, and that there has been many manifestions of Brahma on earth (the elephant people among others). Correct me if I am very wrong.

I don't know about hypocrisy, but I'm glad you're done, gany, because now we can get back to what this thread was originally for.

I'm not going to give any more rebuttal this is just a correction.

The thing you are talking about in Hinduism is Brahman (The Cosmic Principle). In Hinduism, Brahman is the unchanging, infinite, immanent, genderless and transcendent reality which is the Divine Ground of all matter, energy, time, space, being, and everything beyond in this Universe. The nature of Brahman is described as transpersonal, personal and impersonal by different philosophical schools. Some part of it exists in all living beings. (Notice the defence in how Christianity describes god or the creator)
Brahma is different, it is just one of their theorized gods who created the universe. (Notice the difference: Christianity talks about the creation of the earth, skies, sun, moon and stars while Hinduism talks about the creation of the universe)

To give you more dread about Hinduism, Dalai Lama says:
When I say that Buddhism is a part of Hinduism, certain people criticize me. But if I were to say that Hinduism and Buddhism are totally different, it would not be in conformity with truth.

And this from Ram Swarup, a prominent Hindu philosopher:
Buddha was a Hindu. Buddhism is Hindu in its origin and development, in its art and architecture, iconography, language, beliefs, psychology, names, nomenclature, religious vows and spiritual discipline...Hinduism is not all Buddhism, but Buddhism forms part of the ethos which is essentially Hindu.

To give you more dread, Buddhism (atheist), Sikhism (monotheistic) and Jainism (polytheistic) are all part of Hinduism. Even Hinduism has hundreds of sub-religions in it.