<< Back to Map Development Forum   Search

Posts 1 - 30 of 38   1  2  Next >>   
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 11:28:50


Flesius9517
Level 50
Report
http://warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=31744

Bonuses are hard to balance because there are many levels of divisions. (details later)
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 12:58:00


skunk940 
Level 58
Report
Sweet
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 13:28:20


RA 
Level 58
Report
+1
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 13:41:16


Moros 
Level 50
Report
There's a bonus named Aarau, shouldn't it be named Aargau?
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 14:07:18


RA 
Level 58
Report
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 14:31:38


desi
Level 58
Report
Aargau is the whole area and aarau is the "capital" of aargau
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 17:48:46


Moros 
Level 50
Report
Thank you! I know next to nothing of Swiss cities, or Switzerland in general, so that they used confusing names is new to me. It reminds me of the Croatian island with no vowels: Krk.

Edited 4/24/2014 17:51:08
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 19:13:55


Belgian Gentleman 
Level 56
Report
Excellent work E88B3EC ! Another piece of art.
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 21:28:04


Mudderducker 
Level 57
Report
Great work, keep it up!
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 21:35:39


Michelangelo
Level 4
Report
Quality and quantity. I have much respect for your maps and the amount of time you've put in. Good show.

Edited 4/24/2014 21:36:12
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 4/24/2014 21:39:28


Muli 
Level 62
Report
Really nicely done. I already found my home-city ;-)
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 5/17/2014 12:04:03


Flesius9517
Level 50
Report
I need balanced formula for complex bonuses in this map. details are like this:
             ┌─ End (example: Basel-Stadt)
Canton Bonus ┤                  ┌─ End (example: Canton of Schaffhausen - Reiat)
             └─ District Bonus ┤
                                 └─ District Division Bonus
                        (example: Canton of Bern - Emmental - East Emmental)
I think this map is likely to be done by July rather than June as of now. →edit June 7: It was actually done in June.

Edited 6/7/2014 07:47:58
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 5/17/2014 12:54:31


Moros 
Level 50
Report
My idea:
For big Cantons (that contain all bonus levels within them, like Bern):
District division bonus: V=0,6t (t is the number of territories within that bonus, V is the value of said bonus)
District bonus: v1+v2+v3...+V=1t (v1, 2v etc. are smaller bonuses within the District)
Canton bonus: v1+v1,1+v1,2...+v2+v2,1+v2,2...+v3...+V=1,5t (v1,1 etc. are bonuses within v1)

For medium Cantons (that only contain District bonuses within them, like Neuchâtel):
District bonus: V=0,8t
Canton bonus: v1+v2+v3...+V=1,2t

For small cantons (with no Districts in them, like Basel-Stadt)
Canton bonus: V=0,9t

Always round down!
Basel-Stadt:
t=2
0,9×2=1,8
V=1

Trust your instinct: bonuses like Schaffhausen need one extra army because they're hard to get.

Edited 5/17/2014 13:00:08
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 5/17/2014 14:02:17


Flesius9517
Level 50
Report
Thanks for your idea. My provisional formula is (about) like this:

t = number of territories
v = bonus value
s = sum of all sub-bonuses

For small Cantons: v=t-1 (v=t-2 for bonuses with 8 or more territories, almost same as your formula)

For medium Cantons:
District bonus: v=0.8t (same as your formula)
Canton bonus: v=0.95t-s

For big Cantons:
District division bonus: v-0.6t
Small District bonus (<12 territories, no division bonus): v=0.8t
Medium and Big District bonus (≥12 territories, has division bonuses): v=(0.003t+0.89)t-s
Canton bonus: v=(0.001t+0.93)t-s

Note: Medium and Big district and Canton bonus formulas are not systemically used; these formulas were derived from what I already did. However, this shows coefficient of determination (R²) of over 0.95 with already made bonuses.

Edited 5/17/2014 14:10:22
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 5/17/2014 18:52:51


Moros 
Level 50
Report
So, it looks like you don't even need a formula after all, since you already have one! The (0.003t+0.89)t-s part was really smart, I hadn't thought of that.
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 5/18/2014 05:09:25


Flesius9517
Level 50
Report
Note that this is provisional only and it can be changed later. For example, Change of the Canton bonus formula for big Cantons is being considered, as some Canton bonuses can become very low or even negative. Imagine this extreme case:

Canton 1: 200 territories - total: (0.001*200+0.93)*200 = 226, round down to 226
District 1-0: 15 territories - total: (0.003*15+0.89)*15 = 14.025, again, round down to 14
District 1-1: 185 territories - total: (0.003*185+0.89)*185 = 267.325, again, round down to 267
Canton 1 Actual Bonus: 226-14-267=-55 (NEGATIVE!)
There have been no such case (Negative superbonus) so far, but because of this, the formula, especially this part is only provisional and can be changed. Changing 0.001t to 0.002t in the formula can cause another problem, as the Canton of Bern bonus will give 124 armies instead of 57 now. That will make Bern-Mitteland bonus excessively (?) important as just one territory can add up to 153 (!) armies to income.

Edited 5/18/2014 05:48:41
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 5/18/2014 07:17:05


Moros 
Level 50
Report
If you use v=(0.0015t+0.9)t-s you will get no negative bonuses for Districts up to 36 (assuming it completely takes up the Canton), and below 100 territories there's no way a Canton can get a negative bonus, unless there's a District that takes up 90% of the Canton.
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/4/2014 04:19:27


Flesius9517
Level 50
Report
Naming complete. Testing game will start when connections are done.
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/4/2014 09:21:17

CROivan
Level 46
Report
@Moros: Croatian has many words that don't include vowels, such as vrt, smrt, čvrst, brz, grb, rt etc :)
Anyway, I like this map

Edited 6/4/2014 09:21:44
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/4/2014 14:55:42


Moros 
Level 50
Report
Crazy Croatians... Don't even know how to spell properly... *grumble grumble*


And please don't forget to invite me to the testing game! I want to be the first one to conquer Aargau and Aarau, now that I learned they are not the same thing ;-)

Edited 6/4/2014 14:56:02
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/4/2014 15:14:48


Mudderducker 
Level 57
Report
I can test. Great map! ;)
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/5/2014 08:21:34

CROivan
Level 46
Report
I wanna test too
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/5/2014 20:08:19


FrancoPadini 
Level 55
Report
I can test :D
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/6/2014 14:11:05


Flesius9517
Level 50
Report
CONNECTION DONE!! Testers needed, Currently (June 6, 2:00 PM GMT) there are 5 testers:

    List of testers

  • E88B3EC
  • Moros
  • Apollo
  • CROivan
  • [QUIJOTE]FrancoPadini[LN]

I'm checking connection errors.
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/6/2014 15:01:14


Flesius9517
Level 50
Report
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/7/2014 07:53:29


Flesius9517
Level 50
Report
Connection check and correction done! Any more testers?
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/7/2014 08:07:45


Moros 
Level 50
Report
Cool graph!
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/9/2014 20:50:28


Master Adrianokx
Level 58
Report
Excellent work! I'm Swiss and I like this map :)

Can I test?

Edited 6/9/2014 20:58:13
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 6/10/2014 05:15:40


Flesius9517
Level 50
Report
Sorry, but the test game has already started.
Big map of Switzerland: Will be done in June: 7/2/2014 21:14:26


[NL] Willem van Oranje
Level 57
Report
How did you make such a huge map?
Posts 1 - 30 of 38   1  2  Next >>