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Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/26/2019 22:54:41


Njord
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so you dont get more in wage in the uk for years worked at the company, or special skills or courses or work performance? And all the jobs that have the same titel have the exact same tasks?just one job and one salary.

and how does wage negotiation take place after your hired?

Edited 9/26/2019 23:31:12
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 07:40:37


Elohim
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@Njord: But these are not due to discriminatory practices. Was that not the point of this debate? Whether or not there is gender discrimination?
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 09:28:23


Njord
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the only thing i have said is that there is an adjusted wage gap. I have stated this because thats what labour economics shows. You then wont accept that, even if thats what the economic science says.

now i want to understand how the following can be true

"I have been an accounting intern at 3 separate companies, and I have never seen any individual, be it man or woman, receive a higher paycheck than anyone else when they have the same position. "

the reason for this, is that it seems like an obvious impossibility
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 12:07:07


Elohim
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The job title is let's say "Junior Accountant", this job will pay at £28,500 per year for whoever applies and gets the job. For jobs like this, salaries are identical for anybody with that job title. Then we would have "Business Developers" for example, who would earn a base income, which is the same for everyone with that job title, let's say £32,000 and a bonus reflective of their performance, which varies, but bonuses differ in a few hundred pounds generally, nothing like 33% difference.
Salaries do rise to try and keep up with inflation in some companies (not sure how many), by about 1-2%, but this increase is the same for everyone.

It is possible employees negotiate higher salaries, but I would assume this is a very small fraction of the total labour force.
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 13:05:50


Njord
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but nobody is saying anything about 33%, but ofc you will hold onto that number otherwise you would not be right. So no negotiations about wages, and everyone is getting the same salary based on job title and not on any specific tasks they do or how long they have been there, special qualifications or (most ) job performance.... ok, and i who went thinking that the soviet union was collapsed.

Edited 9/27/2019 13:06:31
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 13:30:14


Dullahan
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Silly Europeans
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 14:12:42


Elohim
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@Njord: That sounds pretty accurate tbh, maybe you didnt hear, but in the 18th century division of labour was implemented into the rising capitalist economic system, which we now live in. It makes us easily replaceable as employees, so unless you are high up, you will most likely have a monotonous job with monotonous tasks for the rest of your life, it is a reason why a lot of people have midlife crisis.


Edit: It makes us easily replaceable as employees as well as making production of goods or services more efficient, in case you were going to call me out on that. Either way, more beneficial for the capitalist.

Edited 9/27/2019 14:13:56
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 17:57:28


Njord
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from the office of national statistics GB



this is only bonuses not all the other factors that exist but on the other hand the office of national statistics could be wrong i assume
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 20:05:57


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Some people are sexist, some aren't. Sometimes women get more then men, sometimes men more then women, sometimes they're about the same. Sometimes it's about culture, sometimes politics, sometimes the life choices of individuals, too many factors involved here.
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 20:23:49


Elohim
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@Njord: I literally don't know what point you are trying to make with that graph.

@goodgame: Yes, I agree.
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 20:39:40


Njord
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if 7.5 % of all wages in the private sector comes from bonuses, then it seems like what your describing is not in any way representative since this is only one of many factors that affect wages.

Edited 9/27/2019 20:45:02
Indeed better than Hasbro: 9/27/2019 21:08:49


Elohim
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This will be my final comment, I hope this sums it up.

I agree with you that wages, in the long-run, vary between employees, as employee-boss relationship improves throughout a career, I imagine employees would find themselves in better positions to ask for salary increases. I don't have extensive experience in the workforce, and I certainly don't have a career, but I see what you are saying, there are a lot of factors that could affect wages in the long-run.
I hope there is no animosity between us, it was nice talking about this.
On a more serious note, if you ever want to play 1v1 against me I would be more than happy to accept. I like to think I am an above average player, highest I've pushed in 1v1 ladder is 24th.

Edited 9/27/2019 21:09:34
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