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The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/9/2019 16:04:59


OxTheAutist
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are sound of silence and goodgame alt accounts run by Zoe to make a commie look like a genius because that's what you guys are doing
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/9/2019 16:26:49

goodgame
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I have my own account, separate person.

Economics can make a big difference, but not nearly as big a difference as how most people live their lives. The whole reason money existed in the first place is because most of the time people demand something in return for what they do give. In other words, a world with people that serve eachother, not just themselves, wouldn't have economics because people would just give what others want and need. And I don't know or care what the political system in such a world would be. It certainly wouldn't be an existing system, however, because they all involve economics. Forcing communism wouldn't help because of most people. Unless there is a perfect person to be in charge, dictatorship doesn't work either.
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/9/2019 17:17:44


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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^ this +1
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/9/2019 19:51:41


Zoe
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Well even if there's no money, it's still an economic system. Communism has no currency, classes, or state, so I think that's what you're talking about. I don't get this 'human nature' argument. Even if greed is part of human nature, which to some extent it definitely is, it's not like we haven't overcome human nature before in many instances. I'm sure rape is a natural impulse, but we as a society have decided to punish and discourage it because it's immoral. Same thing goes for murder. Society isn't in shambles because we've decided to act against human nature in many instances, society is in-fact better because we've outlawed and discouraged these immoral, but natural, acts.
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/10/2019 00:42:12


OxTheAutist
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mmmmm pretty hobbesian for an ancom
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/10/2019 01:04:11


Zoe
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Ancom? I'm a Marxist-Leninist lol.
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/10/2019 16:53:07


sound_of_silence
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i live in china so my brain has commie cell
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/10/2019 17:24:49

goodgame
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Of course forced communism is a bad idea. For one thing, in communism (like others) there is about always a person or small group of people with power over everyone else, and people with lots of power tend to exploit people with less power. Just look at what happened with Russia, China, and East Germany if you don't know what I mean. What would really be good is if people were immune to corruption (as in, if you never corrupt no matter how much power you have).
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/10/2019 17:31:58


Zoe
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You're confusing Communism and Socialism. Good thing I advocate for both. Whatever you think about Russia, China, or East Germany, it's undeniable the majority of people who actually lived under it want it back. It's always funny when anti-Communists use the "Why don't you ask people who REALLY lived under Communism" argument, but lose their shit when they see actual polling data of these people.

Read these: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2017/12/25/majority-of-russians-regret-soviet-collapse-poll-says-a60039
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-dictatorship-majority-of-eastern-germans-feel-life-better-under-communism-a-634122.html

"Today, 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of eastern Germans defend the former East Germany."
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/10/2019 18:28:32

goodgame
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The soviet source makes your point, but in your east germany source It seems more likely that the people were taking the offense to east germany as an offense to them. You might want to replace it with a different source, one that makes your point better.
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/10/2019 23:16:53


Zoe
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What do you mean? The specific statement was, “The GDR had more good sides than bad sides. There were some problems, but life was good there.” and 49% agreed with it.
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/12/2019 18:30:37


𝘝𝘌𝘙𝘕𝘈𝘓 𝘝𝘐𝘕𝘈𝘐𝘎𝘙𝘌𝘛𝘛𝘌
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The only benefit of Communism is that the bureaucratic tyranny it foments complicates mass immigration and ties people to the land. Marx wanted unrestricted global free trade and immigration, but the Stalinist position is a complete betrayal of that. The few traditional book Marxists still around are haunted by the fact that the axioms of their philosophy (the Rousseau-an abolition of all social bondage) have been co-opted by monopoly capitalist neoliberals.
The Nanny State is Evolving: 6/12/2019 18:54:13


Zoe
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LMAO what? None of that makes any sense at all. Gonna need a source for all of that lmao
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