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A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/18/2014 18:58:29


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Nasty Aliens. Cold Space. Unexplored planets.
All that and much more on our new map [[ http://warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=30709 ]]

Follow this thread to see our progress.
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/18/2014 21:12:43


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I like how it looks. Eagerly waiting for more!
PS: space is not cold, it has no temperature.

Edited 3/18/2014 21:12:56
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/18/2014 22:03:42


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I'm not really a fan of the idea, but considering the two best map makers are making it, I may love it in the end. The quality and design is already superb, in sure you will craft yet another top rated map. Just under interest how exactly do you make this together? And who will be the one who publicises it.
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/20/2014 09:37:53


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Apollo we share ideas, split the drawing and basically everyone adds his contribution until we are happy with the end result and does it really matter who publishes it :). I never viewed this as a competition, good maps are good for everyone, the mapmakers (as an inspiration), the players (as variety of terrain) and for the site (for attracting new players).

And i'm just interested what exactly don't you like about the idea :)
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/20/2014 15:39:48


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If the space has no temperature. Then tell me why we can messure the temperature of the sun?
CHECK MATE!

Edited 3/20/2014 15:40:08
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/20/2014 16:27:00


Mudderducker 
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Space isn't my kind of thing I suppose, but not much has been done yet. So I cant say I wont like it completely.
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/20/2014 16:52:03


Moros 
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*sigh* Empty* space has no temperature.

<nerd moment> And we can't measure the temperature of the sun because we have never been there. We can only measure things like its mass and radiation and using some fancy formulas get an estimate of the temperature of the sun. </nerd moment>
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/27/2014 11:01:08


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I like the idea of map development by a bunch of great map creators. maybe you should invite more. for example everyone, who got invited could make his own planet by your requirements ( number of terrirtories, colors, details, etc.) and is allowed to give it a name in exvhange.

at Moros: i guess it's impossible to messure the temperature of the sun, but it is indeed possible to calculate it. =) and the space has a temperature, dont want to say anything wrong, but it has to be something about 1°K. further, the space has a temperature, even zero Kelvin would be a temperature. But if you intend to say that the temperature of space is zero you are wrong too, cause thats impossible due to the third law of thermodynamics.^^
by the way 'empty' space does only excist in theory.

Edited 3/27/2014 11:04:14
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/27/2014 13:54:00


Moros 
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Temperature is how much atoms jiggle. If there's no atoms, there's no temperature. But the few particles that are in what we call empty space are moving really fast, so you could argue that space is actually really hot. But saying it has no temperature is more accurate. Most larger objects in space (larger than a single atom, e.g. dust clouds) are close to 0K, but always a few degrees higher.
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/27/2014 15:04:38


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A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/27/2014 15:08:24

Jehovah 
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how is it possible to have no temperature? my physics teacher told me its somewhere near absolute zero.
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/27/2014 15:20:31


Odin 
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Temperature comes from thermal energy. If there is no energy, then there cannot be thermal energy either. It seems that temperature is defined as the amount of thermal energy, so if there is no thermal energy, then there is no temperature either.
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/27/2014 15:22:43

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The temperature in space therefore has to do with the movement and concentration of the molecules, which in turn determines how often they collide with one another to gain or lose energy.


http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-the-temperature-in-space.htm
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/27/2014 15:29:52


Odin 
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Yes. Thermal energy is (micro)movement of atoms. If there are no atoms, then there is no atom movement either.
A Trip Through the Universe with Incaman & Ra: 3/27/2014 22:08:26


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*Temperature is how much atoms jiggle* it's not. when you increase the temperature of a gas, fluid or solid accumulation of atoms the internal velocity will be increased, too. but the inverted conclusion isnt a sufficient definition for temperature.

Temperature is the extent of energy in the dependence to a specific heat capacity. Temperature is not equal to the amount of energy. The same amount of energy does not increase all kinds of material in the same way (water needs more energy than wood to increase temperature about one degree). And a single atom wouldnt even increase jiggling when temperature was increased, it would rather change in an excited state.
anyway, the space isnt empty. An empty space is per definition not a space. space is always limited by matter. and if you want to argue that there is empty space between the matter, think at the atoms of the human body and the empty space between the electrons and protons - which doesnt mean that there is no temperature. Everywhere is radiation, which is both; a wave (energy package) and matter (compare with Davisson and Germer experiment, photoelectric effect by A. Einstein which led to wave-matter-dualism). At least and I promise I'll shut up afterwards, a system with no or zero temperature would have an entropy of zero which is impossible, because this system wouldnt have a single state in which it could appear. Zero temperature means zero entropy and zero entropy means no state, means it does not excist.
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