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Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/24/2018 05:38:13


Rogue NK
Level 59
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MH has 5 wins. Outlaws has 3 wins. Emu goes 2-0. Georgie goes 2-1. NoName goes 1-2

I won't be able to start my games due to real life until the new year but I will continue rooting for you guys.

Edited 12/24/2018 19:21:49
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/24/2018 06:01:01

Stales78
Level 64
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noname went 1-2 not 2-1.
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/24/2018 07:21:20


(deleted) 
Level 62
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The Lucien Muller vs Georgie has ended! It ended (1-2) in favour of Georgie , congratulations!

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17321503
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17321512
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17321515

M'Hunters 5
Outlaws A 3
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/24/2018 16:33:49


Norman 
Level 58
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AI will get auto booted if he doesn't take his turn, vacations don't work.
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/24/2018 19:09:13


purple rain
Level 63
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Hell no I didn’t want to play bonsai. Nigga always beats me. Meanwhile, my ownership of Lucien continues
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/24/2018 22:34:10


IRiseYouFall 
Level 61
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looks like ai will lose 3-0 :p
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/24/2018 23:57:35


Beep Beep I'm A Jeep 
Level 64
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Oh wow good i read this. Cent we recreate Or something? Games are still at Picking Stage.

Warzone is really broken there. If I take My turn in a Game that doesnt allow vacations then it breaks my vacation... ans Right Now i have way too Many Games To break it...like wtf
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/25/2018 01:36:03

FiveStarGeneral
Level 61
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Why didn't you guys just allow vacations? (nice rigging plat)
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/25/2018 01:49:10


(deleted) 
Level 62
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Looks like a whoopsie doopsie from the worst organizer in the world. Okay, I should've had vacations enabled on the games (I intended on having vacations enabled), you can just get booted if you want and I'll re-create the games and update Odin on the situation. However as of this moment, I see you're committed in all 3 games, so I'm just going to guess you broke an extra vacation to retake your orders. If this is the case, I'm sorry for the inconvenience and I would've remade those games given the circumstances.

Luckily, you just need to wait 7 more days and than tadah! You get 7 vacations restored (because you are a member)

This goes for all the other games, however, if your in need of a vacation in the middle of a game that we're in a mess really. I'm going to count all games regardless if they advance after picks. I'll take the blame and fix it in the future clan battles, luckily this wasn't the case in the GG clan battle hopefully it isn't an influence on this one.

So essentially, To everyone if you join the game make sure you can play it for a long time without the need of a vacation if possible if you think you need vacations than surrender/boot if your games haven't advanced from picks and we'll recreate them with the vacations option enabled. Otherwise, the games count.

Sorry once again for the inconvenience.
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/26/2018 13:10:28


Norman 
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Leopard wins against Njord on Strategic Greece (https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17321409)

Both players got their first 5 picks what is very wrong on this template, however I can't blame my clanmate for this. Looking at the past games I always had a feeling that Masters weren't particularly peeing their pants if they were watching my clan play. This was the first game from this clan battle where I can't see any nonsense on our part. Especially Leopards picks show a very sound thought process. My spontaneous thought would have been to rank Caria as high as number 5, however after thinking about Leopards picks, I can see why he is right and I am wrong.

I always had a feeling that M'Hunters couldn't really compensate for the loss of Aldehyde currently not playing the game any longer however now Aldehyde II has just emerged.
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/26/2018 14:24:02


(deleted) 
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The Emu Pub and Krzystof game will be remade.

https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17386441

Edited 12/27/2018 00:06:47
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/26/2018 15:03:31


Leopard
Level 60
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I think you overestimate me, Norman :)

Thank you for the praise !
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/27/2018 04:57:11


Emu Pub 
Level 65
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seriously Norman, I can almost here you "having fun with yourself" from over here. Njord ignored both +3 ftb on the board and gave leopard a huge first turn advantage. Imagine Leopard not getting the +3's free and getting his 4,5 pick. which would surely be countered by agaean or athens. Not saying his picks were bad, but geeze... calm down.
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/27/2018 07:04:28


Norman 
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@Emu Pub:

Njord ignored both +3 ftb on the board and gave leopard a huge first turn advantage.

I don't want to commentate to much on what the non M'Hunter players are doing however I believe I did state that it's "very wrong" that both players got their first 5 picks. I'm pretty sure that Leopard was quite surprised getting his first 5 picks.

I see your thoughts about Leopard losing his picks 2 and 3 as justified, however in that case, his opponent most likely picked his first 3 picks exactly as him which quite often doesn't happen and if it did there is that other 50% chance of Leopard ending up with his picks 2 and 3. Apart from that you could always think about an opponent with the perfect counterpicks and the perfect knowledge. What you are assuming here is an opponent stopping a 2 turn South Cyclades by (despite immediate opponent contact) immediately barraging strong towards South Cyclades.

The art of perfect WarLight play usually has to include adding a weighting factor to different viable strategies and then choosing out of them by throwing a dice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvEQujUcPv4) in order to not lose more than 50% of your games. The previous games all had flaws in execution and I can't see any looking at this game. I don't think I'm overly critical, it's just that stuff like delaying ones 4v2 expansion steps in weighted random games is something one should think about in 2 minute boot games.

Edited 12/27/2018 07:05:44
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/27/2018 15:45:58


Norman 
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Leopards game against Njord on the old 1v1 ladder ended with Njord getting booted (https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17321418):

This map had two special things going on. Namely there was
a) a first turn bonus on the board and
b) the danger of getting locked out from Asia which offered superior income.

Both players picked with those 2 points in mind. Njord went more for the big income approach with the +5 and a possible positional advantage in Asia. Leopards pick number 4 looks mainly like an aggressive counterpick against the support pick of the first turn bonus. Understandably both players didn't want to go for the first turn bonus themself.

I quite like Njords picks 1-4 here while I find Leopards pick number 4 quite problematic. As I have written previously such counters are very hard to pull off and too often just don't work. Since none of the players were willing to go for the first turn bonus I'd like to argue that in fact there wasn't even a real first turn bonus on the board. A player ending up with a possible first turn bonus outcome would most likely haven't taken it anyways first turn and after that he would be more or less in the dark about where to expect to get attacked by his opponent. I see no need building a strategy around such a terrible first turn bonus, might as well just ignore it.

All in all it looked like a very sound game from both players and there are certainly scenarios where Leopards pick number 4 could have worked out perfectly. However because of the threat from Central Russia I would have adviced against this strategy.

As the game ended Njord had both the income and the stack advantage however the income situation was about to shift drastically to Leopards favor next turn. In th following turns it would then come down to what Njord could achieve with his army advantage however he would be on a timer with merely breaking the +4 not being enough. If Njord hadn't failed with the +4 on turn 3 it would have been way worse for Leopard.

Turn 2 Leopard played it quite safe against Australia but imo he should have just gone for the greedy 2 turn 12 income by then. Having one possible dead pick due to Central Russia is a situation where I'd like him to stop playing it safe.

Looking at what both players did here this was imo the best game so far without any nonsense from both guys.

Edited 12/27/2018 15:59:47
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/27/2018 17:16:09


Norman 
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Leopards game against Njord on the China template ended with Njord getting booted (https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17321423):

Both players picked the board very similar and they only diverged in the order of their higher picks. The problem with the north here is that it somewhat gets countered from Beijing. With Beijing being the only viable pick closeby I prefer Njords picks ranking Beijing higher, however I see Leopards other strategy as also viable.

Again both players picked the board very solid. As for the "template quality" imo this game shows the worst case scenario with both the north and the islands being safe.

The victor didn't seem decided here. Leopard was about to get the income lead and threatened to eliminate Njord from the west. On the other hand Njord was moving towards the center.

Again this was a great game from both the players without any nonsense.
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/27/2018 19:44:30


(deleted) 
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. Njord vs Leopard (0-3)
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17321409
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17321418
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17321423
https://www.warzone.com/MultiPlayer?GameID=17386441

Leopard sweeps Njord with 1 earned game and 2 undecided games where Njord boots. Pity... it was interesting to see the conclusion.

M`Hunters 8
Outlaws A 3
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/27/2018 20:05:13


Lightning McQueen
Level 55
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Go MH.
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/28/2018 15:58:36


purple rain
Level 63
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lets do a rematch once this is over with. too many boots
Outlaws A vs M'Hunters: 12/29/2018 00:00:14


(deleted) 
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I think starting clan battles in December was probably the dumbest idea I've had in a very long time. I won't do that again lol
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