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It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 16:59:53


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The last RT ladder match was played over two days ago. There's no point to even joining the RT ladder now, because you have to wait so long you'll likely forget you joined it and get booted. With QM replacing the RT ladder's reason to exist, the ladder is on life support on a good day, and fully dead any other time.

Quick-match fighting is currently a far better competitive landscape, but it needs better access to statistics, and fuller integration into player profiles. It is obvious that QM has replaced the RT ladder in all but name. Let's finish the transition.
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 17:02:37

IRiseYouFall
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yes, that sounds like a good investment (see what i did that :p )
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 17:11:58


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I do see what you did there. xD
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 17:16:23


el-sin♥️
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Nein Nein Nein
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 17:21:15


Tac(ky)tical
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</3

I don't see the harm of letting itscrape by, hell I'll join it right now!

on myalt ofc muahaha
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 17:27:56


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Is it even scraping by, though?

Question: if you're a new player and join the RT ladder for the first ever time, how can you even expect to amass enough games to reach an 1800 rating? Playing enough to even get past the provisional rating is difficult now.
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 17:30:57


Tac(ky)tical
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the trophy is hard toget but you can easily get to1700 rating or even 2000 if you win all your games, the problem now is the ratings are massively deflated, players with 1500 rating sometimes play like 1700 but you get huge penalty for losing
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 17:34:56


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Let's say that most brand-new strat players would be lucky to debut on the RT ladder with a 1300 rating. Probably closer to 1100. So the question is, where does the remaining 400-800 points come from if no one ever plays on the RT ladder?
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 17:52:52


Sora【𝓒𝓑𝓔𝓦】
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i got 1500 rating booting in half my games sooooo

u just gotta win games, the ratings are deflated but its hardly impossible

Edited 10/30/2018 17:53:20
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 19:36:23


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If I can shove a random alt into the RT ladder and get second place, I'd say it's pretty broken. Heheheh
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 19:45:48


ChrisCMU 
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Well, there were two games on it played today.

Who wants to play me on it right now?
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 20:36:14


Onoma94
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I'm surprised some desperated people still actually visit this ladder lmao
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 20:45:33


ChrisCMU 
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I just haven't bothered to grind through the pick lotto SE games on QM yet.

Just had a good battle with Dom (he pulled 7 first moves on me in a row, thanks 'random' move order).


Anyway, there isn't a reason for Fizzer to take it down. It doesn't draw any of his energy, so why bother?
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 20:47:08


Njord 
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it makes a bad impression that there is a dead ladder on the main page imo
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 20:55:53


master of desaster 
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Also it just takes you 4 wins or so to be past small earth on qm. Commander on the other hand will always be on the rt ladder
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 21:11:02


ChrisCMU 
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4? I was told 20 by Farah.

Must be a Deadman hack you did.

Edited 10/30/2018 21:11:34
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 21:32:38


master of desaster 
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Well farah probably meant 20 games, not wins. He's not very good at small earth
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 21:36:28


ChrisCMU 
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so he went 4-16? LOL
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/30/2018 21:38:50


ZeedMillenniummon
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"it makes a bad impression that there is a dead ladder on the main page imo"

^^^^^^ agreed
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/31/2018 03:37:58

Fizzer 
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The RT ladder is indeed very out-dated compared to Quickmatch. To remove it though, we'd have to find something else to unlock at level 43 otherwise that level would lack an unlock.
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/31/2018 03:42:16


Tito 
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Daily/weekly RT Tournaments awarding fizzers
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/31/2018 03:50:19


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Thank you for the reply. Some others would ask what you plan to do with the gold trophies if/when the ladder is removed. Just a thought.

Why not lower the 1v1 ladder entry to 43?
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/31/2018 04:59:03


Cowboy 
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Why not put the RTL in the app. You could even do a "ranked" checkbox if you want.
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/31/2018 08:23:31

IRiseYouFall
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terrible idea cowboy
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/31/2018 09:27:50

kicorse 
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Something else to unlock at level 43? Maybe something related to QM?

There's no QM trophy, and rightly so, because the ratings are geared heavily around activity. But eligibility to compete for some new replacement for the RTL trophy, gained by playing real time QM games, could unlock at level 43.

There are lots of different ways that this could done.
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/31/2018 13:43:48


krunx 
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The RT ladder is indeed very out-dated compared to Quickmatch. To remove it though, we'd have to find something else to unlock at level 43 otherwise that level would lack an unlock.


How about combining QM and rt-ladder?

I mean you could apply the rt-ladder-system, if someone clicks a box (which is available at level 43).
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/31/2018 16:20:34


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... from last year. The offer stands.

+1 krunx

I would even prefer opt-out instead of opt-in
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/31/2018 20:00:39


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There is a very easy fix to RTL that doesn't involve moderation or even modifying some (less than ideal) templates. Simply reset the ladder ratings annually.

Current problems with the RTL that would be solved with an annual reset:

  • No more inflated "grandfathered" ratings occupying the top spot. Consequently,
  • Ratings would all be within the same range once again, so all players have an equal chance to compete for top spots
  • Ladder deflation once ratings have settled will not be as drastic as it is now (a product of multiple years of the same people playing against each other and lowering the collective average rating)

With these fixes in place, the ladder is almost guaranteed to become active and competitive again. And it doesn't require any oversight whatsoever.

The only drawback I see with this system is that the ladder would basically be dead around early- to mid-December. But a month's worth of ladder inactivity is certainly far better than a perpetually dead ladder.

Also, QM and RTL should never be combined. The RTL is a (formerly) legitimate ladder. QM is just an activity chart. The fact that you can veto unlimited templates to play only a couple templates you're strong at is enough justification to not combine the two and form a ladder around that.
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 10/31/2018 22:17:22

kicorse 
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It would need to be more sophisticated than what krunx wrote, but those problems with RTL based on QM games could easily be surmounted (e.g. different rating system from QM itself; must have >=N templates checked to join RTL).

It needs plenty of thought, though, because there are bound to be other issues.
It is time to kill the RT ladder: 11/1/2018 16:27:23


ZeedMillenniummon
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tbh the real time ladder is great if you're a robot who can commit at any time of the day to capitalize on boots
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