lynx can't decide that 101st cant play! poor 101st! though it seems like lynx will not stop this before they get what they want, and it will be ridiculous if they destroy 101st's chances of having fun, so as i see it now, the best opportunity is to be kind and overlook this rule once. though i support this "rules are rules", so dont listen to me! i dont even know where north is anymore. #pizzawithmeatballs

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I don't think there would be an issue with Lynx players playing under 101st banner this season, but doesn't that just delay the inevitable issue? What happens when 101st players want to play in clan league? You will have same issue then. Lynx will be forced to start from bottom then.

Widz solution is a valid one, though a pain in the ass for people that have the clan tag in their actual name (which is a good reason to ditch clan tags in names entirely). Why not just have the elite portion of 101st stay in 101st, and have the rest split off to the new clan Lynx? Apollo started 101st, so I don't really see any issue with that (he is original owner of clan).

Chris, as stated already.

"Those in the 101st that wish to participate will have to improve and be promoted to Lynx."

Lynx and 101st are still tied together. Those in the 101st wanting to represent will improve their game and be promoted to *Lynx.

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After all of my input into the 101st, I don't see how you can say that. I find it hard to receive that. I did not follow the orginal plan of the split. But after I thought about it, I thought it was best. There's a massive range of skill in our clan, never if we had stayed together. A 101ster would have had a chance to take part in any event. But now we are giving them this chance. So we can't be stoping them from having fun at all. Bananashake no offense but seriously your not helping.

I'm still thinking on it...

I think Lynx deserve the place in group A they have earned it
101st is not a victim most people in Apollo;s shoes would have just kicked most of 101st and made that Lynx but he decided to let them stay basically gave them a clan and now we want to punish him and make him start from the bottom?

Hauptmann- I am just saying what happens when 101st are not fine with that relationship (of not participating in the clan league)? I assume that is OK now or you would not be saying it. But eventually that will change and 101st will want to compete. There would also be some confusion because you are actually an officially different clan. I am not saying that confusion cannot be overcome, it just seems odd.

Apollo - is your last post regarding my comments or Hauptmann?

I don't disagree with the split at all (not that it is my place to approve or not). We went through the same thing with P and did the same. Fortunately, there were no divisions in the clan league then, so this type of issue never occurred for us.

Ineffable - I agree from a logical standpoint, but the rules have not been clear. GG was forced to start over, but BIA was not. It has not been %100 consistent.

If Lynx is to compete in A division, then it must be an official rule (something like the slot moves if more than half the participants in the previous league move) in writing so that the same thing happens in every case. It would be an establishment of a new precedent, and must be followed %100. How would GG feel about this?

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Read the thread I just made. Sorry Jay, I'm sticking to the plan.

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Your thread makes sense to me (about the relationship), but it does put a glass ceiling on those still in 101st. It is also slightly confusing to be competing under the wrong name, even if they are intertwined.

I still don't understand why you don't just keep the 101st name for the elite, and make Lynx the
training arm of 101st. It solves every issue. And if the training arm wants to compete in the clan league it simply starts at the bottom.

The only issue really is that many people would have to move clans. However, after that shuffle everything would be in perfect order from a clan naming standpoint, and in the clan league.

All you'd have to do is remove everyone from 101st, invite to Lynx, and vise versa. it would be sorted out pretty quick I would think. Then just change Lynx page to say something about how it is the proving grounds for 101st.

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at the same time you would get rid of inactive players..

Or, or!!! You guys just switch the name. You're saying it doesn't make a difference...well???

Yeah, I actually don't care at this point anymore, seeing as most of you can't understand the mechanics of the shift and cling to the rules like the stalwart defenders of justice you are.

11/11 Lynx players are from the 101st, but dear Lord changing the name from 101st into Lynx in the clan league would be the most unfair thing since BIA got to keep their spot. So why not just switch them around? Oh, cause it's the same thing?? Whoops. Anyways, I said I didn't care, right? Haha, yeah...

fuck it, i no longer care either..

The problem lay with the fact that the 101st would also compete. Now that is no longer the case, I see no problem.

Correct Arun. Either you are separate and both can compete, or you are the same and cannot.

101st is in division A.

If Lynx is a new clan, they may compete in D or not at all.

As for who is in what clan? I don't give a shit, that is for you people to decide. But you guys seem to be playing games and changing your minds just to get into A no matter how you can.

My point is that JSA either F'd up with BIA or GG, which one is up for everyone to decide. At this point Miyagi needs to set the rule and move on. The rule has been applied in two different directions and it cannot be going forward.

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It's easier to apply a rule "new starts from the bottom" than to try and evaluate every single case. it's way to much vulnerable for abuse.

I agree. With Miyagi taking over, this is the perfect time to establish(if it is different)/re-enforce the rule.

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Fridge, that creates a solution for a perfect system of justice.

Chris, I'll say again, Jay changed the plan last minute, for what reason I dunno, but the post I made shows clearly what the original plan was.

Ok, I read your first post from the Lynx thread again. To me this is cut and dry. 101st gets one slot in clan league. The clan league slot belongs to the owner of 101st clan. If Lynx members are competing in that under the 101st banner, they need permission from the current 101st owner (Apollo or otherwise). That is their only allowed slot. This is basically like Noobschool competing for Apex or Fridge competing for WM (they compete with the blessing of that clan owner, because they are officially in other clans as far as WL is concerned).

IF Lynx wishes to compete under their own banner, they must start at bottom (now or at any time in the future). Who competes under what banner as up to the leader of the clan.

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Hauptmann - that's basically why i stood so stubborn for it. Don't take me wrong - I feel you guys "deserve" the A spot, as i felt for other clans the other day, but giving wildcards would be a subject for later abuse.. So it's safer to stick to simple rules.