Hauptmann - make up your mind now, will you?? Lynx is either a new clan or the elite section of 101st. If it's a new clan, they start from bottom. If it's a section of 101st then 101st can only have ONE team in the league - which of course can be a mix of Lynx and 101st players, but they will REPRESENT 101st. If they decide to go by the name of Lynx in the league, they have to start from the bottom.

Bannashake not at all, all Lynx players are from the 101st. All Lynx players mostly represent the clan, all Lynx players got us to Group A.

Fridge - This is silly, why do the 101st have to suffer humiliation of defeat after defeat, why does Lynx have to suffer 1-2 seasons of easy competition.

Let me clarify, the Lynx was long established and has participated in the clan league as 101st, but it was a mix of 101st and Lynx players. Whether they change their name or not has nothing to do with it.

And now explain your reasoning as to why we have to start from the bottom because we changed our name. Same players, same lineup, new name, down to the bottom!

Not all the same... Unreality was in the 101st but competed. As the 101st very much exists, it should be in Group A, and Lynx start from the bottom. When WG took the best of P, it would have done the same; P retain their spot and WG go to the bottom group.

Lynx is a new clan; go to Group D.

Arun, false. Before the season was over he was in Lynx, actually before it started I think. Also, even if he was 101st, that's one of almost a dozen that participated, so your argument is weakly based. And, Lynx is still part of the 101st, it's just the elite section. A clan within a clan if you will.

i agree with Lynx. Why should they start from bottom and have boring fights against clans that aren't as good as they are? i hope i don't hurt anybodys feelings but 101st is without Lynx not good enough for Group A. Lynx is strong and deserves a place in Group A cause they won the last clan league in Group B!

Its not a good argument that "they deserve it" though.. :(

And its bullshit to say that they would have an easy way from d to a. I have beaten 7 out of 10 of the lynx'es. Played greentea only once and lost, played jsa only once and lost (long time ago), and have never played apollo (but i am ranked better in the ladder than him). And i have many players on my level and better than me in blitz. + there are many clans that could match our lvl of skill, and some even better skilled, between d and a, so its not even sure lynx will reach a in 3-4 seasons from now if they start on the bottom (though i know they would have a fair chance).

I really see your point JSA, Hauptman and Apollo, but im sorry to say that a rule is a rule.

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Its not a good argument that "they deserve it" though

Earned our way from the bottom to the top and now they wanna send us back to the bottom because we made the Lynx a separate official clan (which is still part of the 101st, mind you). Load of bollocks.

We're the same players as before.

Btw Bananashake, you've beaten a couple Lynx before, look at your best rating on the 1v1 vs Jay's, Greentea's, Grizzli's, Apollo's and mine (as well as a few others).

Lynx is a new clan. They should start at the bottom like all the other new clans. 101st should not be punished because a bunch of 101st members decided to split off. Riyamitie is good enough to be in Lynx but has decided to stay in 101st. Same with other top 101st members. That alone should tell you that Lynx is no longer 101st.

The whole point of a promotion/relegation league is that you have to prove yourself to get to the upper groups. Lets not deviate from that now please.

they won their spot in A, thus have 1 spot. I don't see the problem with letting Lynx play in that spot while 101st start as a new clan. why don't do as jsa suggested:

101st and lynx will both provide teams, lynx will be the one that competes in group a while 101st will be treated as a new clan.
+ this is also what 101st want to do.

also, a lot of ppl seem to have missed that cs no longer exists :p

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as i said i dont really care, dont be mad at me lynx guys (as you have a tendency to be). i just support the justice, but of course i see your point and have nothing against it.

ps haupt, i know about the ranks and shit. jsa was #1 and i said gratz twice in two different threads. and i have not "beaten a couple of lynx guys before". in fact i have won 7/9 1v1 games against your guy dom365, and 4/7 against your guy bigchps (not telling this to brag!). And i think we all agree im not the best player out here, soo yeah..

(Obviously everything I say in this thread is just my personal opinion)

I don't believe for a second that "This is what 101st wants" until I hear from at least Riyamitie/Kerosea, who for some reason did not join Lynx even though he's a top 101st player. All I really know right now is that this is what Lynx and one member of 101st wants. Sirius is especially getting shafted in this deal. He specifically joined 101st because he wanted to learn from top players... and now they all just left!

In the end it's up to the clan league admins, minus Apollo, as obviously it's not possible for him to be unbiased. If it comes to a vote, it will be up to the clans other than Lynx/101st.

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Not here to cause issues but if Lynx is still a part of 101st, doesn't that mean 101st has two teams in the league. Is that allowed, or is there not even a rule for that? I get points from both sides but I don't think a clan should have two teams, and if they're a new clan then go to the bottom. I like a lot of Lynx players but this is just what I think.

Ok here is what is going to happen, first things first.

JSA or Apollo i need a final decision, are 101st and Lynx different clans?

Sirius is especially getting shafted in this deal.

Sirius is part of Lynx.

I don't believe for a second that "This is what 101st wants" until I hear from at least Riyamitie/Kerosea

Ask him, instead of posting this nonsense.

In the end it's up to the clan league admins, minus Apollo, as obviously it's not possible for him to be unbiased.

Democracy at its finest.

If it comes to a vote, it will be up to the clans other than Lynx/101st.

Let me clarify something. Lynx brought us to Group A, Lynx as earned the right to continue the legacy, your vote be damned, Pushover.

Is it a name that is important, or people that play?

I think, that since people can change clans, it's obviously the name that is relevant.

Now, here is the things: switch the clans, I mean all members.
All lynx go to 101st, all 101st to lynx, and everyone is happy!
Perfectly by the rules, people that wanted to play in group A play in group A, people that wanted to start at the bottom start at the bottom.

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And its bullshit to say that they would have an easy way from d to a. I have beaten 6 out of 9 of the lynx'es. Played greentea only once and lost, played jsa only once and lost (long time ago), and have never played apollo (but i am ranked better in the ladder than him). And i have many players on my level and better than me in blitz. + there are many clans that could match our lvl of skill, and some even better skilled, between d and a, so its not even sure lynx will reach a in 3-4 seasons from now if they start on the bottom (though i know they would have a fair chance).

Who won season 4 group B, and your saying we can't cruise past D, C, Even B maybe. You may have good results against us, but compare yourself to they're ranks in the ladder. The ladder isn't the top thing on my mind at the moment, <1 min on a turn. Isn't gonna rank me high. This is just practise. Comparing my history I think I've had better.

101st should not be punished because a bunch of 101st members decided to split off.

The founder and most contributors to the success of the 101st are splitting. Also Sirius is joining Lynx. We've given other 101sters time and time again to have an opportunity to improve. Not many in the 101st itself contribute or bother to even read notices or the forum. Is it right to have the most dedicated 101sters start from the bottom?even though Lynx won Group B.

for lynx proposal:
support: people that play is more important
against: rules are rules

under new situations, laws and rules could change based on valid reasons.

i agree and accept rules are rules, apart from this, let's hear the other part where "people that play is more important" is a valid enough reason or not

Is it right to have the most dedicated 101sters start from the bottom?even though Lynx won Group B.

This statement implies they are still parts of a bigger clan, that they are still one clan.

Please answer my question Apollo

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Oh yes. Well obviously it's more than a name. We have split, correct. We are separate clans, correct. We have a very close relationship, yes. We even have alts in the 101st to keep it alive, we still care about, a lot. So we are different clans but very close. If you put us in group D, fair enough, but isn't this decresing competition.

I don't see why you don't want Lynx in group A?

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