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Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/2/2012 15:15:01


WarChargerXL 
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So the various cards add a nice strategic element to the game above and beyond its default nature. But, I'm a little confused order priority and order default for the following reasons below, Anybody want to give input on both the issues i mentioned below as well as the suggestion?

When the either card is played, in the orders list, the card doesn't maintain its position in the orders list, it is always present at the top of the list thus, three problems arise:

a.) How many orders does a single card apply too? ALL orders that turn or just a single order?

b.) Because deployment happens before attack/transfer, is deployments considered to be "orders"

c.) The wiki says that you can play both a order priority card as well as a order delay card in a turn, but since the cards don't maintain there position in the orders window its hard to determine what orders the card was applied too when its a big map game with 15 to 20 or more orders in a turn.

Suggestion: Other than clarifying how this card applies (deployments are orders? & how many orders a single card applies to) My suggestion is that when the order priority card or order delay card is played that the order(s) the card is affecting are highlighted in a different color in the "orders list", that way it is clear which orders are being affect by each one of those two cards.
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/2/2012 15:29:25


Richard Sharpe 
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Did you really need two forum posts on the exact same topic?
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/2/2012 16:05:45


WarChargerXL 
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One was seeking some input from community at large, second was directed at bug report since the card doesn't maintain position in orders list. So Yes, same issue, meant for two different audiences.
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/2/2012 16:21:13


Richard Sharpe 
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However, its not a bug but a misunderstanding on your part on how the order list works.

It would make far more sense to request the opinion of other, more experienced users and only after that make a bug report if still necessary.
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/2/2012 17:03:06


WarChargerXL 
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... Richard, You have your view on posting etiquette, i get that... you have view point that differs from mine.. ok.

|>However, its not a bug but a misunderstanding on your part on how the order list works.

Maybe so, but I am by no means uneducated or have learning difficulties, if the issue confused me then it very well could confuse others and in the interest of making this an ever improving game, better to ask it and get an explanation that it is by design then not ask it or get a lot of conflicting answers and still have to ask developer for clarification.

|>It would make far more sense to request the opinion of other, more experienced users and only after that make a bug report if still necessary.

Well... it would have made far more sense for you not to muddy up the intent of my post and just not comment in one of them, then to be productive in 1 post and far less so (and off topic) in the other. Also, (Not saying your answer in the other post is wrong) but truthfully were all players here and nothing on our BIO pages indicates knowledge level. (Join date and # games played, doesn't mean the person learned the details of the game)

In any case, was not and am not interested in arguing the above issues out, so would prefer you stick to a more helpful dialogue as you were in the bugs forum.
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/2/2012 19:18:42


Perrin3088 
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treat the order delay card as an attack/trasnfer.. it will stay in location relative to other attack/transfers, and acts like a hard-stop, putting all orders behind it behind all enemy orders, unless they likewise use an order delay card..
the order priority card will effectively make it as though you were supposed to go first.. \*it normally goes 122112..* instead of letting cyclic/random turn order determine this, you force yourself into the 1 position, unless someone else uses an order priority card

order priority card location is static, since it happens before all moves, and effectively affects all moves, even though it is generally used to expediate the first move.
Order delay card location is the same as any other attack/transfer
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/2/2012 23:15:45


NoZone 
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Perrin, that is how I interpreted the OD card, but Richard Sharpe suggests otherwise (in other thread). I am curious now how this works.
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/2/2012 23:17:27


Richard Sharpe 
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NoZone, Perrin said the same thing I did in a different way.

"acts like a hard-stop, putting all orders behind it behind all enemy orders,"

Puts all your orders after all their orders, not just that one round.
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/2/2012 23:22:46


NoZone 
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Yep, I didn't read carefully. Interesting. Not sure it changes any of my play because I usually am only concerned about the last order.
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/3/2012 06:42:56


Perrin3088 
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theoretically you should put the OD before all non-essential orders.. say for example you both have 10 orders and you need the first 4 quickly and the last one after the enemy.. if you use 9 orders then an OD it will go

ab ba ab ba ab ba ab ba ab ODB A B

now if your opponent also uses an OD after his 9th it turns into
ab ba ab ba ab ba ab ba ab ODX2 ba
in which case you've been unsuccessful
putting it before all non-essential orders gives you a larger range of possibilities to still counter your opponent, in the situation in which he uses an OD

ab ba ab ba ODB a a a a ODA ba ab b b b b
putting your essential last move order as the total last move order

better way to put it *in my mind* is in seperate lines..

Player A
aaaaaaaaODaa
Player B
bbbbODbbbbbb
=
ab ba ab ba a a a a
ba ab b b b b


and recognizing that your moves will always be on the first line until you use an OD, and each OD you use will move it down another line..

aaODaaODaaODa
bbbODbbbb
=
ab ba b
ab ba b b
a a
a
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/3/2012 06:43:16


Perrin3088 
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ugh bold..
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/3/2012 06:44:34


Perrin3088 
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apparantly putting an equal sign in the line after a line of text will make it bold..
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/6/2012 03:46:40


AquaHolic 
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Here is how these cards work:

order priority:

When you play this card, you get first transfer/attack order. Your opponent will get the 2nd and 3rd attack/transfer order, you will get the 4th, 5th attack/transfer order and so on... in this pattern.

order delay:
All your attack/transfer orders you place AFTER you play the order delay card will take place AFTER all your opponent's attack/transfer orders are completed. To correctly delay your order, you have to FIRST play order delay card, THEN place your attack/transfer order. You may also place some orders that you do not want to be delayed, then play the order delay card, and play the orders you want to be delayed. This way, the orders you placed BEFORE you played the order delay card will not be affected.
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/6/2012 03:48:04


AquaHolic 
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Deployments are not orders

Yes you may play both order priority and order delay card in the same game.

As I said above, all the orders you placed BEFORE you play the order delay is unafffected.
Order Priority/Order Delay card usage?: 1/6/2012 06:58:35


Perrin3088 
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keep in mind, that like orders, you can move the order delay card to where you want it to affect, after having been selected to be played.
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