Actually the difference wasn't ever this big. IIRC Clan League 7 had: started in october 2015, D1/D2 finish in january 2016, division A in february 2016. In those lowest divisions it partly was clans like DARKLORDS or HAWKS making it go faster with how many boots and nonjoins they had. Clan League 9 stage 2 div C has none of that even with two clans winning/losing their games considerably fast, and summer vacations are a factor not to be ignored.

Wow october 2015 to february 2016 to finish A? I highly doubt it. Would have to check. One thing is for sure, I feel 1 Clan League season is so long. It started in like February of this year and we might not see the end of it before like November.

Edited 8/29/2017 20:28:48

These reasons are part of why next CL is going to be based on a schedule (when games start) - so in theory it should greatly reduce the time of CL.

Those clans dying are mainly due to all good players going to a few of the Elite or very good clans and clan drama; not to mention very few like Ben goes to a new/not top 10 clans trying to train players there. I agree that many of the Elite or Very good clans are becoming more inclusive compared to earlier and not to mention Master/App, Lynx/101, GG/GGr are good models for a player to get good at game, which is very difficult if one has to learn everything on own(not impossible, just more time consuming).

There are few exceptions like MH or ONE, who are stable even after losing good players;for MH, it is advantageous having a larger clan with so much of depth and recruiting newbies while for ONE, it is mostly efforts of the active members.

The chances of Wizards participating in CL10 are not that high, since I am less active and not highly motivated as I was few months ago and it totally depends on the members' decision as a whole; but I would try max to make Wizards give CL10 a try :)

Lastly, Congrats to all of the promoting clans :)

Clans like BIA, Blitz, Viw (who will most likely still play, they have a lot of new recruits)

I've actually looked at what Blitz would have to offer right now and we only have like 4 new recruits since CL9 start and 2 of them were from the Stupid thread from which i think 1 is at least an alt. From all of the other players left in blitz it would even be hard to make a lineup if you take away the old lead of the clan basically. If Blitz would put a lineup now it would be like Rubens, ESPANA, pip, storm spirit, porian, pioneer, prisoner and there is no such thing as. So counting all of thsoe i get 8 players and yes the one i assume to be an alt is in that list as well since i put all 4 new guys in.

So in short, at this moment i don't think Blitz would participate in CL10.

Looking back at everything that has happened in Blitz in all my years being with them I feel like we already slowly started declining during CL6 when Jeff, QB and Gross all decided they would be moving over to Masters after that season had ended but the real hit was basically during season 8 to 9 with the breaks from both KKND and myself i feel like. We were probably the backbone of Blitz keeping everything active, nothing against all the work Lin and Pip put in up to this point, but we were just the main players keeping Blitz alive i feel like. Basically at this point Wini and AUN also joined the leaders group of Blitz but i think it was already too late at this point looking back at it.

I will personally most likely play for Hydra next season of CL unless something specific comes up which might change my mind but that is very unlikely to happen too be fair.

Nobody likes commitment, Commitment = time + energy , Giving commitment requires motivation. Motivation for 9 months is hard. 9 months is long and draining. People play games for fun and excitements.. 9 months of constant gaming and commiting is not fun and excitement. Players drop out of clans to play for better clans to make this more worth-while in A division or they quit.

If clan wants success on CL, Recruit, Make community of players with goal to improve. Your players won't be poached if your close and all are in a group goal.

Good Leader = Improvement and stability

Good leaders = Hard to find.

Some clans don't have ambition to be the very best so if they have player who does, expect them to leave.

Bad Leader = Not community known , Doesn't recruit , No ambition and lazy in general = to long-term stable decline.. Players will leave. No community goal/motivation leading to death. Sign of this = Alts being allowed.

The leader is the captain of ship, No leader = Sink sunk.

Want success on CL? Clan has to be orientated around it + Strategic improvement environment + Recruit (poaching is allowed and lets be fair it's recruiting to have a depth roster for CL now)

If your clan isn't orientated around CL you underperform like Hydra
If your clan doesn't have a active leadership with no ambition , players = bored , demotivated and leave like Blitz

Facts. Facts. Facts.

What else is a fact? A team full of players with right attitude will always get you points then a significantly more skilled team that are coasting through the games.

Look at dead clans means you know what to ensure is correct with your own clan.

The only clans that has been "New" and made a smash on A division has been Outlaws + ONE! and they are 2nd + 3rd *If last 2 games are won.

Survive. Grow. Profit.

Outlaws aren't really new considering they were Lynx's little brother for a while. I see that a lot changed in Outlaws since the schism of last year but I wouldn't put it as they are new. It would still be 101st if leaders of Lynx would have accepted to sell the clan to Platinum also.

Unless you meant new in A, which would make more sense. Few clans that I am aware of have climbed their way from the bottom to the top without the support of an other elite clan. Only MH, VS and 7th Heaven come to my mind right now as clans that have either come from nothing and got to the top or are on their possible way to get to the top.

Edited 8/30/2017 22:34:38

ONE isn't exactly a new clan. We competed back in CL4 as XS, so we're actually among the older clans still around.

Few clans that I am aware of have climbed their way from the bottom to the top without the support of an other elite clan

And what does this even mean? Every clan in A started from the bottom at some point.

Edited 8/30/2017 23:00:10

Clans have climbed their way to the top. WG did years ago. Masters after that. Turtles. ONE. None of those clans existed in the first couple CL. French may not have either, I don't remember off hand.


If you are saying few have climbed in the last 2-3 CLs, then sure.


I hate to see so many clans drop out, but it is what it is. As long as other clans can take up their spot, and it doesn't get totally diluted (too top heavy and bad competition below)...the league will be fine.

Yea exact I meant since like CL7. What I meant is that few clans are able to start from bottom to top and establish themselves as a new credible threat to the top clans.

In the same line of ideas, I am hoping divisions A and B become less predictable. ONE! was a surprise for me in A this year (which was nice to see), but we all knew Masters would win this. More parity would make the Clan League more exciting. Everyone pretty much knew GG would win B and everyone that plays often with 7th Heaven knew they would dominate in Qualifiers and C. But ofc hoping for more parity is like believing in Santa Claus.

One thing that could make things more exciting is limiting the number of tournaments per player to only 2, which would force each clan to have more players into their line-ups. I know it was like 4 tournaments per player in CL7, so 3 per player is already an improvement but 2 would force clans to have depth and not only rely on like 3-4 top players and some lesser good others.

Edited 8/30/2017 23:41:36

(I'm not connected to any clans besides Hydra at this point, so I don't really know but...) Is there a general consolidation of elite players in clans? For instance, I sort of thought Clan League was more competitive before, when clans like Blitz and WG had more actives (and Masters was half the size?).

If the better players as a whole tend to congregate into fewer and fewer groups, then reducing the quantity of tournaments will make it harder for less skilled/smaller clans to compete with them. My current impression is that some of the elite clans were barely floating for CL consideration, but not as their own identities and more as alternate teams of alts. So on the one hand, you will eliminate a lot of these potential alt teams if you were to reduce the umber of tourneys per player. It will definitely force clans to have greater roster depth and not rely on being carried by a few players. At the same time though, I don't know if this might really damage Clan League participation. I think I read that a number of teams were struggling to make decent rosters, though I could be wrong there.

The roster increase would probably work, but it would be better if that came with clan consolidation imho. Its not exactly a clan thing, if they rely on what are effectively mercenaries to compete. (I used to see a lot of alt accounts of elite players, often in different clans?)

I don't have anything for/against specific clans, I'm not out to target anyone, and I'm definitely not trying to boost Hydra. I just wanted to point out some potential issues that I'm hopefully wrong about. :P

Edited 8/31/2017 03:16:56

You guys are a bit out of subject, this was already suggested in https://www.warlight.net/Forum/262970-clan-league-10-improvements?Offset=30 (page 2 by myself), and are late on that subject as this has already been adressed by CL leaders https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q7qwbAP0OvX4pC64DjQ5ZoERL4atQJdM1oaIlMZiMOc/pubhtml

I wish you woke up sooner as more voice towards this goal may have helped the cause, which I still think is part of the future of CL anyway, CL bosses just doesn't realize it yet, and seem to think they have to adapt to clans instead of clans having to adapt to CL...

Benefits would be :

- More players involved into CL
- Less players are frustrated of not being allowed to play in CL
- Some players don't need to (leave their current clan and) play for alternative clans any more to play in CL
- Players may play their game quicker and be more focused with less games on their hands
- A more competitive and open CL : a clan can not rule CL with only 6 of the best players of WL any more. They would need at least 9 now
- Grant not only player skills to succeed in CL, but also clan scouting, recruiting, training and loyalty, which should be seen as important traits as individual skills after all in a clan competition

I wish you woke up sooner as more voice towards this goal may have helped the cause, which I still think is part of the future of CL anyway, CL bosses just doesn't realize it yet, and seem to think they have to adapt to clans instead of clans having to adapt to CL...

That's just rude and unfair. Like you mentioned, we had a Forum thread where potential changes were discussed. You really can't complain about no possibilty to voice your concerns.

And it is pretty clear: Large clans prefer less slots than smaller ones. And believe me, it is not in the favor of most clans, if we reduce the number of slots, as then the poaching will get harder.

101st sticks to a maximum of 3 slots per player. This worked out pretty well, no need to change this.

It will always be the case, that those do not get their will, will raise their opinion louder.

All in all, I really like the improvements for CL10.

Edited 8/31/2017 10:48:45

Some clans already had problems with rosters when only 6 were needed. I can almost assure 1 or 2 more clans would drop out of CL if you would decrease the maximum amount of tournament per player to just 2 becaseu this would mean clans having to put down at least 9 players while they only had 7-8 all previous seasons and don't really have the option to increase this either.

I think that might have been the reason MotD and Beren also decided on keeping it 3 tournaments maximum per player. I can understand MH vouching for less due to the fact they have a strong players all around but likely lose some games due to having 3 slots instead of 2 where they are willing to go for.

Since there is already made a decision on this matter i won't go on further into this.

Mike you are insulting again in case you didn't realize.
Also, you made a big deal about poaching. What do you think will happen if top clans don't have 9 active players who are willing to play cl? Masters have enough players just in case someone wants to make an example with masters.

once again someone from MH propose some general rule that would benefit MH the most. If one did not know better, one could be lead to believe that MH are afraid that can't cut it otherwise

I don't see where making a suggestion is being rude, unfair or insulting.

@Krunx I can see you disagree, while Ben and Koala agree. I wish a poll, involving 1 vote per clan, was done to see what clans actually want, like in a democracy.

@Waka ofc without notice clans would suffer, but there would be some notice. And MH has nothing to do with my personal opinion and suggestion, I could be in any clan or clanless I would post the same thing, even in a small clan btw.

@MOD I know Masters have increased their depth now. And anyway where in my suggestion do you see any name in the benefits ? My goal is to serve the interest of what should be a league of clans in my eyes. Right now, clan tasks like having depth, training, scouting, are not represented in current CL format, and I feel this is missing to value clans, let alone this would serve the whole community.
And no, I doubt this would affect poaching. Clans don't wait to need to fill a spot to poach, they do it or not if and when they feel like it.

@Njord see answer to Waka. I'm not even a CM in MH btw and I didnt talk about this with my clan. Is it still possible to express a point of view without involving your tag aside your name nowodays ??

Anyway, I guess I'll leave it to another season.

Edited 8/31/2017 15:13:16

Id like to point out all the benefits Mike listed were just the same 1 benefit really :D
(except the last one which is kind of unrelated but nvm)

I did not read all the suggestions for the CL but there are surely ways to talk to people...Anyways. The suggestion was mostly made as a way to somehow improve the parity in the higher divisions. Masters for example would probably do well with their top players (MotD, MoD, Timi and Qb, at least my impression of the best of Masters) playing only 2 tournaments instead of 3, as it would have given the opportunity to other very good masters to step-up and represent their clan as well. I can see though that only 2 tournaments per player could be very hard to do for some clans like 7th Heaven for example, hence why some clans would be against it. I just felt that a minimum of 6 players per clan to play Clan League is really not representative of the real overall strength of a clan, particularly if the clan is relatively big.

Edited 8/31/2017 17:17:01

Limit of 2 tournaments per player could be quite troublesome in case anyone needs to be replaced. A clan could now field a 9-player line-up and replace someone with other players mid-season. After that change the clan would need to have 11-12 players for the season for decent safety.
Maybe it would be too big of a change...
I don't see how is this relevant to this thread though.