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How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/9/2017 19:45:29


GeneralPE
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How do people who think blacks and whites are equal and we should let Africans into Europe explain the phenonena of Rhodesia and now South Africa, where as soon as whites lost control they went downhill? Do they even try, or is any questioning "racism"? Does it even matter to you, or do you just think this way is fairer so who cares? I'm genuinely confused.

Also Rhodesian music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVStQsIxCtk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSveaJVPAGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIRVak20RI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZbILmXs3B0

RIP Rhodesia
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/9/2017 19:52:27


Wally Balls 
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"How do you justify calling men as smart as women, here is an example of a really dumb man"
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/9/2017 20:01:32


Clint Eastwood 
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Wally, he doesn't speak for all of us. I say that as both a man and as a conservative.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/9/2017 20:08:35


Wally Balls 
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The racists who point to African countries as proof of black inferiority would all say Asians are smart.

They don't seem to realize most of Asia is a 3rd world hellhole with numerous countries as bad as Africa.

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How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/9/2017 21:22:08


Clint Eastwood 
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That doesn't at all mean that the US isn't a 1st world country. That doesn't even mean that the US is homophobic. It just means that whoever owned the funeral home was homophobic. So I don't really understand your argument.

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How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 00:31:33


Cata Cauda
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How did this derail from Rhodesia to the US?
Stay on-topic, guys.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 01:10:31


Clint Eastwood 
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In most states in the USA it's legal to discrimate against the LGBTQ community.

Yeah. It's also legal to discriminate against race and religion. You know why? First amendment. Is it the right thing to do? No. But am I allowed to if I want? Damn right I am.
You can't call us a second or third world country simply because we have more freedom of speech than you. Just saying.
You probably don't understand it because you're a conservative.

Ah, taking cheap shots I see. No, the reason I didn't understand it is because you're not capable of producing a coherent argument. Not because apparently being conservative makes me dumber than usual.
Maybe learn to make valid points rather than insult people. You're not winning anyone over that way.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 01:18:53


GeneralPE
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How did this derail from Rhodesia to the US?

No one had arguments so they strawmanned and got off topic
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 01:21:13


Clint Eastwood 
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I was merely responding to someone.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 03:48:45


{rp} eisenheim
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Remarkable. So you think race/skin color has something to do with advancement ?

Lets start with the Atlantic slave trade shall we? The largest forced mass exodus in recorded history. 9-11 million Africans forcibly removed to work as slaves in the New World. Some historians have argued that this destroyed successive generations of Africans, destroying their overall capacity to grow.

Go look at the world map. European borders are intricate, often very hard to draw. African countries are geometrically easy to draw. That's because the great white man arbitrarily barged onto their land, drew a line in the sand without consideration for local, religious or cultural values. When the great white master was done exploiting publicly he left a largely ill equipped crop of leaders and a multitude who don't recognize the nation state as the white man does. Any sane leader leader they got, the great white man decided to kill. Patrice Lumumba, Thomas Sankara and Steve Biko come to mind.

Thirdly how you define progress, values and growth matters. For all intents and purposes India is more democratic in terms of civil liberties than Singapore. Yet economically, Singapore is proportionately far wealthier. Similarly, Africa's threshold should take into account the overall situation, education, healthcare and system of rule as well as intervention.

By the same logic, I can ask why Eastern Europe is severely less wealthy than say UK or Switzerland. Nothing to do with their skin color or racial origin. Everything to do with historic circumstance.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 04:09:26


Wally Balls 
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How do racist KJN's explain France?
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 05:47:36


Wally Balls 
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Typical irrational illogical internotionalisticist KNR
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 05:59:13


Clint Eastwood 
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Cata and eisenheim are the only people on this thread that I don't despise with all my being. And I'm not even familiar enough with eisenheim to have an opinion of him. All I know is that he sucks a hell of a lot less than y'all.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 06:49:51


Clint Eastwood 
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I know reality is harsh. I don't like sugarcoating it either. But you're still insane.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 06:53:10


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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Clint its off topic. Everyone here is more extreme and like likes to shitpost more than general. Did you know that the US are a hoax created by Britain to keep the other European Countries confused?
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 06:55:14


Clint Eastwood 
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So.....like.....my country doesn't exist? Oh my god.....my eyes.....they've been opened. Thank you.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 10:23:30


Clint Eastwood 
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Job discrimination. Not discrimination in general. No one can stop me from discriminating who I want, when I want (not that I will, but that's beside the point). Because of the first amendment.
Did you.....did you really just try to say that the first amendment, the most important amendment, is invalid? You're batshit crazy.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 10:43:34


apollong3
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Irrelevant but it is amazing how all of Tabby's posts can be boiled down to 5-6 core beliefs. Even the goddamn examples include them in one way or another(find me a post of Tabby arguing about race/success that does not include how jews are amazing in it)

This is why you suck, Tabby. You keep repeating and reciting the same things, presenting everything is if it can be absolutely judged as good/bad.

In my mind, no matter how "rational" the things you say are, or how much evidence you have to back them up, you can never get away with painting the world in black and white, essentially throwing half of it away because you deem it unworthy.

Please stop saying the same thing over and over again. Right now you are not a person. You are an (idiotic) ideology.

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How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 10:51:12


Clint Eastwood 
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+1,000,000
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 11:01:07


Ranek
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how do republicans explain the new health care system?
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 11:36:55


GeneralPE
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how do republicans explain the new health care system?
Deflection.

Remarkable. So you think race/skin color has something to do with advancement ?
Yes.

Lets start with the Atlantic slave trade shall we? The largest forced mass exodus in recorded history. 9-11 million Africans forcibly removed to work as slaves in the New World. Some historians have argued that this destroyed successive generations of Africans, destroying their overall capacity to grow.
Why wasn't Africa developed at all before this?

[/quote]Go look at the world map. European borders are intricate, often very hard to draw. African countries are geometrically easy to draw. That's because the great white man arbitrarily barged onto their land, drew a line in the sand without consideration for local, religious or cultural values. When the great white master was done exploiting publicly he left a largely ill equipped crop of leaders and a multitude who don't recognize the nation state as the white man does. Any sane leader leader they got, the great white man decided to kill. Patrice Lumumba, Thomas Sankara and Steve Biko come to mind.[/quote]Europe has had arbitrary borders, so has Asia. Yugoslavia, China includes a large number of minority ethnic groups, India is divided into dozens too. None of them are shit holes on the scale of Africa. Plus, even relatively homogenous nations (Lesotho, Swaziland, arguably Liberia since it was founded with few initial ethnic divisions) are still broken.[/quote]

Thirdly how you define progress, values and growth matters. For all intents and purposes India is more democratic in terms of civil liberties than Singapore. Yet economically, Singapore is proportionately far wealthier. Similarly, Africa's threshold should take into account the overall situation, education, healthcare and system of rule as well as intervention.
They have no education, no healthcare, no system of rule. By every conceivable benchmark except AK-47's per capita, they are terrible. They are also way behind where they were when ruled by whites.

By the same logic, I can ask why Eastern Europe is severely less wealthy than say UK or Switzerland. Nothing to do with their skin color or racial origin. Everything to do with historic circumstance.

>nothing has to do with...racial origin
Is propaganda so ingrained in you that you cannot fathom groups evolving differently and having different attributes? Eastern Europe, your example, is infinitely superior to most of Africa, despite "imperialist" Russian interference, and ethnic divisions in Ukraine, Romania, and ex-Yugoslavia.

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How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 16:45:23


apollong3
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To name a few:

>Reproduction is bad and we should replace it(this includes the "peafowls" thing)

>High average IQ groups should rule over ones with lower average IQ, or at least have great benefits compared to them (Note that this discriminates on a level of groups, not individuals) (in other words:Jews should rule the world because they were persecuted and have thus become better than everyone else)

>Science and rationalism are good, emotions and particularly romantic ones are bad(i.e. we should all be robots)

>Some cultures are objectively bad and should be done away with
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 18:13:41


{rp} eisenheim
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I see the both of you entirely missed the point. Exploitation and foreign interference is the answer. Lack of faith in the nation state is the answer. Lack of skilled workers and a survival of tribalism again due to centuries of exploitation.

Europe has had arbitrary borders, so has Asia. Yugoslavia, China includes a large number of minority ethnic groups, India is divided into dozens too.

Ah yes Yugoslavia. You mean the country that after Milosevic the ethnic racist rose to power and decided to ethnic cleanse for Greater Serbia right? Of course its arbitrary. The West stood by with their hands in their pockets. Don't believe me read the book 'Unfinest Hour, Britain and the Destruction of Bosnia' by Brendan Simms. India is irrelevant because the British Raj could never force their values on age old Indian customs. As far as the Indians were concerned, the white man was above their Brahmin.

Is propaganda so ingrained in you that you cannot fathom groups evolving differently and having different attributes?

Or I actually bothered to look at the facts before rushing to the racist conclusion. Racism in itself didn't exist in its modern form until eugenics came to the forefront of Empires. Something that's being overturned day by day.

In my mind National Socialism was a largely rational movement and the SS was probably one of the most clinical and calculating entities that have ever existed.[i/]

Strongly suggest you read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. As for calculating. Hahahahaha. Inhumane, barbaric and brutal. The leaders only coherent idea was 'blame everyone but us' for our faults. Don't believe me ask any history student who doesn't buy the ill conceived race ideas some jingoistic kook came up with.


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How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 19:10:42


Clint Eastwood 
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How has this not been downvoted into oblivion yet? I'm tired of seeing it.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 19:20:26


Wally Balls 
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It would be rational to exterminate all ZK's like you.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 19:35:29


{Canidae} Kretoma 
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I am sorry, but to say that Native Americans were more andvanced than Sub Saharan Africa is just absurd, Tabby. The First were stuck in the stone age with the notable copper exeption in the Andes. Sub Saharan Africa was the periphery, but still part of Afroeurasia. They just lacked about 200-400 years behind. By that thesis, you could say Africa has its Thirty Years War (Kongo War) just ended. Of course it would be devastated.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 19:38:45


{rp} eisenheim
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Yes Europeans partly destroyed the Native American civilizations [i/]

Fully.

Had advanced civilizations actually existed in Africa at the level of China or Turkey colonialism would not even succeed in Africa.[i/]

Cherry picking once again. Turkey in its modern form did not exist until post WW1. Until that point it was the Ottoman Empire. Mind you the sole reason why the West won against the Ottomans was exploiting the New World.

I am sure your ideal solution for Africa would have been what the British did to Australia. Dump their convicts, send their worst so they can't come back, ignore the natives and lay back while the cultures died out.

You and I cannot be the judge of what cultures are relevant to this world and whats not. Because the European prevailed over other doesn't make it the 'best'. And by no means does it excuse the atrocities committed under their banner. Similarly barbaric practices of the Natives or Africans cannot be condoned. But enslavement, exploitation based on this ridiculous idea of eugenics can rightly be mocked and damned to the annals of history.

Why ? Because for every racist argument there is 100 reasons why the rest of the non-whites suffer. 9/10 thanks to the good ol' white mans interference.
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 19:47:45


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So you are saying a high-IQ group monopoly of the world is possible? More importantly, how do you know that would be a good thing?

also you just avoided every other point eisenheim made

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How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 20:16:28


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thanks for reminding me that I'm living in a world where people think advancement is relative to the amount of your skin's exposure to the sun.

even better is that the ratio is believed to be inversed - believing that being exposed to sun for longer periods makes you dumber...
How do leftists explain Rhodesia?: 5/10/2017 20:21:00


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