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Site down = boot?: 11/7/2011 14:23:44

Yeon 
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Site just went down for some minutes, and I was playing a realtime game. I reloaded the page frequently, so I guess the site had been up by at most 30 seconds by the time I was booted from my realtime game. My opponent must have been refreshing quicker than me and then just rushed in to boot me.

Now, I realise there is no rules against booting players, but I don't feel it's fair to be punished for the WarLight server to be down. In particular, I don't like my profile saying "booted once" when I've always met every deadline except this one when the whole site was down. Any chance of having this changed, or is this something I just have to suck up?

Of course, I blacklisted this petty opponent and advise everyone else to do the same.
http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1648164
Site down = boot?: 11/7/2011 20:15:01


Creeping Death
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I blacklisted him, as I agree with your point of view. Note though that I don't play multiplayer games, so I don't know whether blacklisting someone has any actual effect on these players. I have been invited in two games so far, declined them both without hesitation.
Site down = boot?: 11/7/2011 21:11:51


Richard Sharpe 
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@Death - I don't believe being blacklisted has any impact on the players status in Warlight or that it would have any tangible result to one who doesn't play multiplayer such as yourself. Did you get my message about a 0-luck game?
Site down = boot?: 11/7/2011 21:31:01


KniFe 
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after trusting my oppents to not boot me after warlight went down, I got booted while making my moves. I learned that whoever gets back online and boots first win.
Site down = boot?: 11/7/2011 21:53:25


Creeping Death
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No, Richard, I didn't get any invitation. After I got the first invitation, I made a post on a thread, saying that I won't accept any invitations. Making a 0% luck game is not enough to convince me to play a multiplayer game. Someone else (named "Angel") sent me the second invitation and from then on I switched all notifications off, so I won't get any more invitations. Now as for blacklisting, I will keep it as a lever of pressure towards people who misbehave to me. It may give me no result, but I think I can use the action of blacklisting to show that a person is not behaving well. Since it isn't possible for others to view my blacklist (AFAIK), I am willing to announce the name of the player I am blacklisting each time. And since I don't want to play any multiplayer games, I don't care who blacklists me, so nothing stops me from trying to be fair. I 'd only be bothered if I wanted to play MP games.
Site down = boot?: 11/7/2011 22:03:46


Richard Sharpe 
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@Death

If you go to multiplayer, there should be a game there with a note explaining my offer. Please check it out there rather than rehashing it here. I honestly think it would be of interest to you.

As for the blacklist, I am not aware of being able to see others but I am relatively new here and have yet to need a blacklist (other than adding Vostro).
Site down = boot?: 11/7/2011 23:23:56

Creeping Death
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Man, I love the blacklist! It's my favorite feature on here. That's how I keep the douches from playing with me :)
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 06:59:59


Perrin3088 
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the best RT games, are MD games that you and the other person agree to play at the same time on.. then this issue never happens.. and if you guys decide it's real close and you need to eat/sleep/etc. there's already an implemented method.

that being said.. open games are just prone to problems..
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 10:07:28


Creeping Death
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Oops, this "Man, I love the blacklist" post isn't mine. Someone created an email with the same initial letters as mine (starts with "creep") and then created a duplicate account... Otherwise someone hacked into my own account. In either case, I am sure it can't be anyone else than Vostro.
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 10:10:19


Creeping Death
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Other notes about the duplicate account:

1)He has copied my bio.
2)He has copied my tagline.
3)The only obvious difference is in the stats.

BLACKLIST THAT ACCOUNT!
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 10:18:52


Creeping Death
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Well, I just added a photo, hoping that he won't find the same, so that it will be easier for you guys to blacklist that troll who pretends to be me but types in American English... (The correct spelling is "favoUrite"...)
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 13:46:42


Richard Sharpe 
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Sorry to see you weren't interested in my offer Death. Fear not though, I won't bother you on the matter again.

And I wouldn't worry too much about the doppelganger... it's quite clear which is which to anyone with half a brain and I am sure Fizzer will sort it out shortly.
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 14:27:38


Domenico
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Don't jump to conclusions as to who made the account. Although I agree that Vostro would be the Number One Suspect, it might be anyone stupid enough to think he can fool so active a community.
And although I also spell favourite with a **U**, it's not *the* correct way of spelling... American and British English, nowadays, are both mainstream.
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 16:35:09

Fizzer 
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Sorry for the problems you had Yeon. It is indeed unfortunately that sometimes we get boots for things outside of our control.

In this case, WarLight actually wasn't down. There was a major outage in the internet that affected lots of people. You can read about it here: http://www.silicon.com/technology/networks/2011/11/07/global-outage-takes-down-sites-and-services-across-the-internet-39748193/

It's possible that your opponent wasn't affected by the hiccup at all depending on his location in the world.

In the end, I don't know of a way to fix these kinds of issues, except to de-emphasize the "number of times booted" figure, and instead direct people to look at the percentage of times booted. Everyone that plays real-time games will eventually run into a few boots they couldn't help, but as long as your percentage is below 2-3 I'm pretty sure nobody will ever hold it against you.

I got booted once when I joined a real-time game then my power went out. I know it's not fun :)
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 17:42:38


Creeping Death
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Thanks for the reply, Mr. Domenico. For the first part, I agree I stated my point in a rough way. This thing happens with me sometimes. I want to say something, I state it in a hurry and end up saying something slightly different. But I guess I 'm not the only one with a life to care about over here, am I? For the second part, let's leave that uncommented. I don't care about being "fashionable" or "mainstream" or anything like that.
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 18:02:16

Yeon 
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Thanks for the response, Fizzer!

Actually, I was at the same time connected to sites in US and Europe without problems, but apparently couldn't reach the Warlight site.

I wasn't booted the second I rearrived online, but about two seconds later. I know, because I decided to enter orders quickly (without thinking) and only got to click to start deploying before the boot. So my inclination is that he came back when I did.

If I knew this is how games are supposed to be played, perhaps instead of deploying, I should have gone for the boot menu myself... ;-)
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 19:29:37


Perrin3088 
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CD, he can just save/upload the picture from your profile, like he did everything else..
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 19:42:21


Richard Sharpe 
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Easiest way to secure yourself against such foolishness?

Become a member. Can't see anyone being so dedicated to their trolling to be willing to shell out the $30 for membership.
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 20:11:06


Creeping Death
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@ Perrin: Yup, you are right, I hadn't thought of that early enough. But in a thread I started ("ANNOUNCEMENT") I am mentioning things he can't copy, such as join date. What do you think about that?

@ Richard Sharpe: Sorry, but I 've made it clear that I am not going to become a member. I 'll keep this game free for me. What's more, the easy way isn't always so reliable. Since we aren't sure whether this guy is willing to pay $30 just to make me look bad, I think I have to avoid the risk of wasting my own money for a troll. To be perfectly honest, a thought I had in the day was that all this is happening in order to trick me out of my money. Well, I won't let this happen. I won't give anyone that satisfaction. If all this was done just to make me pay $30 for a game that I can have for free, it has failed. I am not a sucker and I don't like being treated like one. Goodnight.

(Note: I noticed that Fizzer has let this thing happen for at least 3 years, so maybe he does that on purpose... If I get banned for saying this, I won't play WL again. I won't bother to change the way I think, just for a game. But I won't let anyone make me look bad either. In any case though I am paying nothing for a game I can have for free. Is that clear, Mr. Fizzer, or do I need to come there and pull your ear?)
Site down = boot?: 11/8/2011 20:57:56


Richard Sharpe 
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Let's clarify here... Fizzer has allowed for non-unique player names. That by no means he allowed such antics to occur in the past and nor does it mean he condones it. There is a considerable difference between those two things.

As for membership, I understand your position... I was merely pointing out the most obvious solution to the issue, that is all. I know in the past you spoke of desiring a 0% luck game so membership would not be without its benefits to you, however minimal they may be. Given your insistence on playing such a game I was surprised by your refusal of my offer.
Site down = boot?: 11/9/2011 09:12:45


Creeping Death
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@ Richard Sharpe: I see the difference you are pointing out, but if I were in Fizzer's position I would have thought about this thing. (Of course I 'd forget other things he thought of, as each person has different priorities.) I think that allowing usernames to be repeated is the biggest mistake someone can make in such sites. Now as for the 0% luck game I refused, I 've made it clear that I won't ever play any MP games, no matter the settings. What I 've been saying is that luck influence must be adjustable by non-members. A thing I 've read that has put me even more firmly against MP games is that other players can sneak into the settings and change them, so someone wanting to beat me would change the luck to 100%, as everyone knows that it always favours the player I am either attacking towards or defending against. It has happened many times to me, with the standard 75% luck percentage, to attack with 40 armies and not be able to kill 15, and then see 10 armies of my opponent's taking a territory where I had 100 armies placed. This is a major fault of the game and has to be corrected. And don't tell me about multiple attacks, I 've used them and seen them fail. I am very good at maths, I am not dumb, so I can see that there is a fault that always handicaps me. A reason I don't play MP games is that the AI doesn't boast after winning. I hate it when someone beats me by pure luck and then presents it as skill. And the worst thing is that the others believe him/her instead of me. Luck is not a skill. Luck is luck. I am good at maths because they don't depend on luck. In fact they can describe it, and that's the wise spot about maths. Being good at maths may not make you luckier, but it helps you explain how lucky someone has been somewhere. And this means a lot to me.
Site down = boot?: 11/9/2011 10:42:33


Ziggy
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Honestly, shut up already. For the love of God you need to stop spamming this board with your juvenile drama trolling shtick. You don't want to play multi-player games? Fine. Nobody gives a rats backside. If you never play mp games then nobody will confuse you with someone else.

How many things can you possibly bitch about? How old are you? Hell, start up an alias with my name. I wouldn't care. I'd find it amusing. Because folks who know me would recognize the difference. You are without question one of the most annoying people this board has seen in some time.
Site down = boot?: 11/9/2011 11:05:30


Perrin3088 
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yes.. he has tried robbing you out of your money.. for a game that he had created and ran for what? 7 years? the better portion of it *without any membership costs at all*.. and Creeping Death.. /not/ supporting Indie gamers, will just lead us to stagnating games.. at one point, I might add, many of us were *begging* to be allowed to donate to him for his work, and I am still agitated to be allowed to *only* spend 30$ to help fund the work of a great Indie game.

and Creeping Death.. if the 100% luck is always in the opponents favor.. wouldn't that even out? since the opponent is always someone else...? Fizzer believes in *not* forcing gameplay onto his players.. allowing each individual game to be modified to the players specifications allows for the greatest possible entertainment.. as people are able to play as they want to play, and not under some pre-determined style. Most cheaters prefer to use something a bit more *real* then luck favoritism, like modifying bonuses, or making sneaky card changes

and if you are good at *maths* check up on statistics.. check into many games and see just how more often you are F'd up then your opponents.. it averages out.. you just /notice/ when it happens to you, *because* it happened to you.. in other words.. you're complaining for variances because they are variances..

if you don't want to hear someone boast after winning because of luck for luck's sake, then play 0 luck games, I will personally host any and all 0 luck games you want to play, with anyone you want to play, and post here any *boasting* that goes on, and describe to you /exactly/ why you lost/won, in a mathematical sense.
Site down = boot?: 11/9/2011 11:20:59


TRUMP 
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Dr. Awesome, when you said

"Honestly, shut up already."

I said a silent "Amen" in my heart. Cheers.
Site down = boot?: 11/9/2011 13:43:09


Creeping Death
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@ Dr. Awesome: I became annoying for something that was making me angry, but today it suddenly turned funny. I couldn't exactly expect that, so I am not willing to give you or anyone else any apologies. I 'll just laugh.

@ Perrin3088: The troll turned funny, but now you seem to be trying to make me angry again. Nevermind, I just stated a thought, not a final conclusion. There is a huge difference between these two. Am I supposed to apologise for my thoughts? And as for MP games, I trust nobody enough for that. Thanks, but I 'll stick to SP games, else I am getting out of here.

@ Mercenary: Don't hurry to jump to conclusions.
Site down = boot?: 11/9/2011 13:52:40


Richard Sharpe 
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Death, you didn't even read my note, did you? I was offering to immediately resign, thus leaving you to merrily play against the AI's as if it were a single player game.

And why should luck be available for non-members? If every facet of the game were available to non-members, what reason would there be to become a member? Gotta always keep em wanting more.


As for the luck, Perrin nailed it. You only notice when the odds work against you while ignoring the countless times they work for you. As for luck always working for the player, I haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about... I have looked at the luck calculator and it seems to be negative more often than positive.
Site down = boot?: 11/9/2011 14:00:42


Creeping Death
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Sorry, Richard, I didn't get your note at all.
Site down = boot?: 11/9/2011 15:11:08


Richard Sharpe 
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The note in question was the message attached to the multiplayer game. I was generously offering to compose a 0-luck game of your desired settings against the AI at which I would surrender upon territory selection so as not to impact the game play.
Site down = boot?: 11/9/2011 20:35:11


Creeping Death
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Yup, I get your idea, but why am I supposed to let you select a map for a game I will play against AI opposition only? Doesn't sound very normal to me, you know... Though don't take this behaviour of mine personally. I 'd do the same thing with anyone else doing that. Of course there is much more I want to be able to set on my own, so there is much room for error, which I just can't accept. Fizzer made a terrible mistake when he decided that non-members will only create games with 75% luck. I know he can change it, at least put the default value to 0%, but more preferably let non-members choose the percentage as well as members can. I don't mind about the other member-exclusive settings, I only want Fizzer to unlock luck. If this had been done right, I 'd never feel any need to post anything on this forum. And looks like that would be good, as not many people seem happy with my personality. Most people seem to hate strict people and I am not the kind of person to pretend to have a different personality than the one I really have. Other people can do it and bravo to them, but I neither can nor want to do it. I see it as a very cheap way to achieve things, which "accidentally" is most often used in expense of someone else, rather than in favour of the total. Am I not clear enough yet?
Site down = boot?: 11/9/2011 20:55:35


Richard Sharpe 
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Death,
I specifically said it would be a game of your choosing... map, cards, AIs, bonuses, %'s... everything. Would have been the same as if you created the game yourself single player with the exception of having 0-luck.

So in other words, you think a key feature that would spur people to buy membership should be free simply because you say it should? Makes perfect sense. Do you not understand how capitalism and society in general works? Obviously there is value in being able to modify the luck and as such, Fizzer has every right to treat it as such. This is his intellectual property afterall.
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