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Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/22/2016 18:50:16


GeneralPE
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http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/22/donald-trump-contract-american-voter-100-days-5338007/

So, Wally balls et al, any SPECIFIC points you disagree with in the President's plan?

Summary:
Term limits
Stop gov't growth
Eliminate regulation/executive orders
Cut lobbyist power
Withdraw from TPP, change NAFTA
Other trade specifics
Allow energy expansion
Redirect UN climate change money
Replace Scalia
Build the wall, keep out illegals
Suspend immigration from terrorist hotspots
Bring back business
Lower taxes
Rebuild infrastructure
Revamp education system
Create Crime Task Force
National security specifics
Clean up DC



I'll be honest, I hate democracy, but this is a damn good plan
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/22/2016 21:58:12


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Term limits (no opinion)
Stop gov't growth (agree)
Eliminate regulation/executive orders (Somewhat. I don't want my car having no airbags)
Cut lobbyist power (YES)
Withdraw from TPP, change NAFTA (Don't know enough to give my opinion)
Other trade specifics (")
Allow energy expansion (yes)
Redirect UN climate change money (eh.)
Replace Scalia (yes)
Build the wall, keep out illegals (Yes on the second part. Too expensive and pointless)
Suspend immigration from terrorist hotspots (stricter background checks from hotspots but not total ban)
Bring back business (YES)
Lower taxes (Corporate income tax especially)
Rebuild infrastructure (Yes)
Revamp education system (yes)
Create Crime Task Force (Never heard of, so no opinion)
National security specifics (registering people of all religions seems too Orwellian)
Clean up DC (yes)

If Trump can be less bombastic while negotiating, I don't see much of an issue.
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/22/2016 22:17:37

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"So, Wally balls et al, any SPECIFIC points you disagree with in the President's plan?"

President's?

You're funny. He's not ever going to be president. You know this, stop kidding yourself.

"Redirect UN climate change money"

Yeah, that's totally a "good" plan.

Frankly anyone stupid enough to think climate change/global warming is a myth is too stupid to procreate as far as I'm concerned. Anyone who thinks it isn't important is also equally stupid.

Edited 10/22/2016 22:19:10
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/22/2016 22:35:12


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don't care to be honest. Look at Clinton's plan, because that's the one you're going to be living with.
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/22/2016 22:39:22


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@Nauzhror

Anyone who's stupid enough to think climate change is important as the economic issues we are facing is also stupid. Anyone who thinks climate change is really preventable by humans is simply unknowledgable.

I mean, did you know that, for example, Greenland used to be ACTUALLY GREEN?

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/6653/20140418/icy-greenland-was-once-pretty-green-study-finds.htm

The world has gone through naturally heating/cooling periods throughout history; a good deal of global warming is just pride and politics. And misinformation.

Not to mention the totally bogus predictions. The computers that forecast what the temperature will be have a high degree of inaccuracy [when they are forecasting years ahead].

Of course, if you're taking about the genuinely serious enviramental issues, like the rain forest in South America that's disappearing, well, that we can agree on.

@OxtheAutist

If Clinton is elected, I would be willing to help Scotland invade and conquer America.

Edited 10/22/2016 22:40:26
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/22/2016 22:40:40


Жұқтыру
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Clean up DC


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/131006085445-02-sicily-1006-story-top.jpg

clean up Palermo

I would be willing to help Scotland invade and conquer America.


I love democratic socialism as well we need this in America right away I'll help.
half-of these are contradictory to things that he's said before, yet another case of cognitive dissonance. Most the others are things that are easier said than done, or too vague. And almost all the others after that are just bad. A few primers:

*Stop gov't growth*
**By growing the army and militia, yes, awesome.

*Cut lobbyist power
**How?

Edited 10/22/2016 22:41:47
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/22/2016 22:57:03

Nauzhror 
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Claiming that global warming isn't a real concern is beyond arrogant. It's in direct disagreement with every leading scientist in the world.
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 01:32:47


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I didn't say it wasn't a concern

Read my post again.

And if you don't think politics affects scientific findings... you're either naive or have an already biased mind.

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

There are plenty of scientists that disagree with the some of the core principles of global warming claims.

Edited 10/23/2016 01:39:05
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 01:51:59

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That's not "plenty of scientists". That's a small spattering.

To call them a minority would be giving them too much credence, they don't make up a small percentage of scientists, they make up a small percentage of a percent.
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 01:59:04


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kek you have one issue but a) if you read the actual link you would see the money will be spent on environmental infrastructure, b) do you actually believe the UN uses money they get? They just piss it away on fancy dinners, and c), the sun is going to cool soon so global warming isn't actually important

Edit to xpapy:
*Cut lobbyist power
**How?

Read link pls guys I just gave a little summary but if you want to discuss be informed

Look at Clinton's plan

Her plan for what? To grow government and raise taxes? To maintain the failing status quo? She won't win anyway ofc

Edited 10/23/2016 02:12:06
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 02:00:56


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Claiming that global warming isn't a real concern is beyond arrogant. It's in direct disagreement with every leading scientist in the world.

Well yeah but so are facts
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 02:24:41


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@ MGSB

So are facts what?
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 06:03:55

Nauzhror 
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"She won't win anyway ofc"

What? You think Trump's going to win the election? You can't be that dumb. I'd wager my yearly salary on her winning.

He's currently projected to get 186 electoral votes to Hillary's 352.
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 14:12:44


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@ MGSB

So are facts what?


One, it was more or less a joke, two, I want you to take a long look at that sentence
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 14:31:30


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I can't believe some idiots still think that Trump is going to win.

PE and co. will be very fast to yell "rigged" because they can't admit that they are wrong sometimes.
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 14:48:35


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Nah, Trump can definitely win.

@Ox, the election is rigged in multiple ways, there have been dead people registered to vote lol. Voter Fraud sure isn't helping Trump.
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 16:05:14


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There is a bigger chance of this map happening than Trump winning

Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 16:13:05


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Term limits (Yes)
Stop gov't growth (Yes and No)
Eliminate regulation/executive orders (I like my airbags, so no)
Cut lobbyist power (Yes)
Withdraw from TPP, change NAFTA (No comment)
Other trade specifics (Vague)
Allow energy expansion (Yes, but use renewable energy)
Redirect UN climate change money (Vague)
Replace Scalia (Vague)
Build the wall, keep out illegals (No.)
Suspend immigration from terrorist hotspots (Sure?)
Bring back business (Vague)
Lower taxes (Prefer lower class)
Rebuild infrastructure (Expensive and very long, to say the least)
Revamp education system (Unclear)
Create Crime Task Force (no comment)
National security specifics (unclear)
Clean up DC (Make it a state, then let the state handle it)
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 16:57:06

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"Nah, Trump can definitely win."

No, he really can't.

I'm going to be super generous, and count states where he is polling at 30% as a win.

Idaho - 4
Montana - 3
Wyoming - 3
Utah - 6
Arizona - 11
Alaska - 3
North Dakota - 3
South Dakota - 3
Nebraska - 5
Kansas - 6
Oklahoma - 7
Texas - 38
Missouri - 10
Arkansas - 6
Louisiana - 8
Indiana - 11
Kentucky - 8
Tennessee - 11
Mississippi - 6
Alabama - 9
Georgia - 16
South Carolina - 9
West Virginia - 5
Iowa - 6
Ohio - 18

That is 25 states, he won't win all of those, I'm being super generous with giving him them.

The problem is, even if he does win them: 215

He needs 270 to win. Where do you propose he gets another 55 electoral votes?

215 isn't even what he's likely to get.

Arizona - 11
Iowa - 6
Ohio - 18

Are actually projected to vote for Clinton, which results in Trump realistically getting 180 electoral votes.
Donald Trump 28-point plan: 10/23/2016 17:20:35

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I'll be more generous, I'll give him everything he's showing a 20% chance to win rather than 30%.

Nevada - 6
North Carolina - 15
Florida - 29


Shucks, only 40, he'd still need another 15.

Maine is the next most favorable for Trump, where he is shown to have a 13.6% chance to win, he's polling at 9.4% behind Clinton in the state. It has 4 electoral votes. That'd make him need 11 more.

Next is New Hampshire at 12.4% where Trump is 8.8% behind Clinton. Also 4 electoral votes.

Minnesota is 10 electoral votes, it would secure the win. He's showing to have 11.8% chance to win Minnesota, he's 7.8% behind Clinton in the state.

So, he's projected to get 22 states, he'd have to win 9 upsets and get 31 states to win the election.


Arizona - 11 44.5%
Iowa - 6 47.7%
Ohio - 18 41%
Nevada - 6 27.9%
North Carolina - 15 28.6%
Florida - 29 24.9%
Maine - 4 14.2%
New Hampshire - 4 12.3%
Minnesota - 10 11%

The chance for him to win Arizona, Iowa, and Ohio is only 8.7%. Add in Nevada, North Carolina, and Florida and that drops to 0.17%.

Add in the last 3, cumulative chance at this point plummets to 0.0003%.

Yeah, Trump has a 3 in 1 million chance to win based on said math.

Totally still has a chance. Just like I have a chance to sprout wings and fly.

Edited 10/23/2016 17:21:38
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