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Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/14/2011 11:31:06


Doushibag 
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I know this is a gaming site so I gave a fair warning that this topic is centered on politics. Which may only indirectly affect our gaming world here, but it matters!

Join us as we declare to the Mainstream Media - We the people demand an end to your lies and refusal to admit Ron Paul is a 2012 GOP Frontrunner. On October 19th, 2011, tens of thousands of Americans shall stand together to send you a very clear message. We will stand as one with Ron Paul and his mission to change the course of history by raising over $6 million in a single day for his presidential campaign. Go ahead and try to Black THIS Out!

What is a Money Bomb? - The "Black THIS Out" Money Bomb is a 24 hour "Online" fundraising event. On Oct 19th, all donations are to be made to the official campaign website at http://www.RonPaul2012.com/. Our goal is to break $6 million, but we can ONLY achieve this if we can get 25,000 people to attend this Facebook event! Attend this event and invite all your friends.

If you're an American join the fight for liberty and against media bias and donate on October 19th! If you're not an American you can still help the cause by telling all your American friends about the event.

Why is Ron Paul good for us here at Warlight specifically? Well more freedom, liberties, and prosperity will lead to more and better jobs such that we don't have to work 3 jobs just to make the bills. Leaving us more money to buy games and more time to play them! Tired of working more for less and having little time for games? Well support the candidate who has real economic understanding and can improve our situation more than any other! More freedom also leads to more innovation which leads to more games. Something we here can appreciate! Liberty for all!

Pledge your support at http://www.blackthisout.com/users/bto
Join the facebook event at http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=181997088537471
And help out by promoting this event!

And remember if you have any opinions or questions or wish to discuss the topic keep things very friendly, polite, and respectful! Obviously people here will disagree, but please be kind to other people's point of view and present your own kindly and without being derogatory or overly negative!

Cheers and may you continue to enjoy games like Warlight for a long time!
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/14/2011 16:00:47


Warbeard 
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Thanks for that info. I wasn't going to before but now I will be making a contribution to Obama. Terribly bad taste to post this here.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/14/2011 16:31:52


Mablung
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If you been watching the debates, comedy gold

[Link text](http://www.hulu.com/watch/282324/saturday-night-live-cold-opening-gop-debate#s-p3-st-i1)
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/14/2011 16:32:57


Mablung
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^ Lol I did that wrong
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/14/2011 18:59:58


devilnis 
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Libertarians feel that the government is the number one threat to our freedom and equality of opportunity, but as a staunch progressive I contend that unfettered accumulations of power (especially in terms of political influence) and money are a far greater danger to us. Today these accumulations of power INCLUDE the government, but primarily we would call them "Corporations". Libertarian policy is far too lasseiz-faire towards Corporations, and we have a lot of ground to gain back in providing a reasonable check to corporate power in our current system of special interest lobbying, porkbarrel spending, and unlimited anonymous corporate donations to political campaigns. This is why I would never ever support Ron Paul even though I agree with some of his contentions concerning the criminilization of personal freedoms.

In lighter news, I was listening to a political talk radio show today, and someone called in and suggested that one of the Koch brothers (big super mega rich Tea Party donors, probably shadowy figures behind destruction of functional democracy) should run with Herman Cain as running mate, making the "Koch-Cain" ticket. MUAHAHA now THAT'S comedy gold :)
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/14/2011 19:28:42


Mjollner
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Well, it's like one of my friends said:

"The left believes big corporations are ruining this country, and we should give more power to government.

The right believes big government is ruining the country, and more power should be in the hands of corporations.

How can they both be so right and so very very wrong?"
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/14/2011 19:54:00


Oliebol 
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That's funny I once played a game against Ron. Here's his profile: http://warlight.net/Profile.aspx?p=533389909 He must be one of the many politicians using WL to learn the ropes.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/14/2011 22:12:42

Guy Mannington 
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Doushi i knew i liked you for a reason
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/14/2011 23:20:25


x 
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Is this some sort of satire?

DONATE NOW TO STOP WARLIGHT ON ITS PATH TO EUROPEAN SOCIALISM

hells bells, doushi.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 00:13:31

tlh4alh
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ron paul would be a great president just wish he could like get more elaberate on speeches so critisum would drop twords him
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 00:27:42


x 
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is this even allowed? this is advertising. can anyone spam this forum with whatever crap they like?
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 00:46:04

Member of: WM20REGLDirtyOldFBG&clanswithasiansigns
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:lol: at the chumps who donate to Paul's moneybombs.


I'm going to start my own moneybomb. Donate money to me!
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 00:58:01


devilnis 
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Yes! BAN THE DOUSHIBAG! He has no respect for the terms of service!! He's probably a terrorist! Too many hours of global productivity have been wasted due to playing warlight on the maps he created! FINISH HIM!!!!
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 09:16:40

that dumb guy
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rnt there better ways to be politically involved and spending money in political affairs than giving $6 billion to one presidential candidate?
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 10:26:59

Grzechooo 
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Does it change anything for non-Americans?
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 19:27:45


Doushibag 
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I just looked at the rules and didn't see anything against this sort of post. Also I made my best effort to warn people in the title that it was about politics so they could readily avoid it if they weren't interested in such things. Additionally I didn't put in any plug in the title itself so unless someone chose to enter the thread there was no advertisement for any candidate. I thought I took fair measures to not spam anyone to who I support so it seems a bit harsh to say it's in such poor taste. Perhaps you'd like to tell me what types of topics are allowed? Am I allowed to talk about my neighbors? The weather? Another game? TV shows? Know what I found to be in poor taste, was watching House and they totally spoiled some movies. I haven't watched that show in months now. Cause spoilers aren't cool. Did I spoil something for you? Were you waiting until the whole gop nominee season was over to watch how it played out and I interjected you into the middle of the season? My bad if so, but like I tried to warn you with the title.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 20:14:24

Byrne0ut
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I am a staunch supporter of Ron Paul. Whether you like him or not he has stuck to his principles over the last 30 years.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 21:23:38


Doushibag 
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A long post ahead, I know people would never expect such from me, so prepare yourself!

As for why I posted political stuff here it's because I don't have very many outlets and wanted to take advantage of one of the ones I do have even if it's a gaming oriented place. Also I'm not interjecting it in any actual games, just on the forums where people come to talk with other players. If there was an 'off topic' forum I would have placed it there as it doesn't specifically deal with the game itself.

I don't really consider myself a libertarian. Although I believe we should have as much liberty and freedom as possible. When you use a term like libertarian though it tends to get skewed into things it's not. Like 'liberal' which has as a definition "favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties". People use it in all sorts of other ways to describe people who don't really fit the definition well at all. So just thought I'd start with that clarification.

I think the idea is that we need government to help protect our liberties, but at the same time the government can take those liberties from us. When government becomes powerful and corrupt it uses all its power to assist specific corporations and groups at the expense of others and individuals. In this situation the government and corporations are both too powerful because they're working together in an unfair and unjust way. So part of the idea in limiting government is that the less ability it has to dole out these special favors to corporations and the like. I think the Constitution and Bill of Rights recognized the problem that any government represents a constant struggle between justice and corruption and they aimed to create a government and at the same time tried to limit its power such that it wouldn't become a problem and could serve its purpose.

A big company isn't any inherent problem, but if its big and powerful because it's getting special favors then that's a problem because it means it's using force through government to gain an unfair advantage over its competition.

The idea behind smaller federal government in particular I think is because of the recognition that any corruption that does occur would then be overbearing on the whole country versus just a single state and that it then requires a broader effort to fight the corruption. Which is why Ron Paul wants to get rid of many federal programs as they've become corrupt and protect companies and corporations at the expense of individuals and consumers. It's easier in a way to fight corruption at a more local level and it's also easier to avoid should efforts to get rid of it fail.

"The left believes big corporations are ruining this country, and we should give more power to government."

As I said anyone who says that is missing the point that corporations that have too much power tend to have it because of too much government, corrupt government specifically. So giving more power to the government would likely increase the problem. The government doesn't need more power it needs simply to use the power it already has to act more justly. Why have some special law when using the basic rule of no fraud would suffice to sue the company for example.

"The right believes big government is ruining the country, and more power should be in the hands of corporations"

I don't even get what that means to give corporations more power. Do people actually say that?

I think the general goal is to have individual power as much as possible. In that meaning that the majority can't rule over the individual because through the government he is empowered to prevent mob rule. By working to protect the individual we work to protect mob rule and ourselves whenever we're that minority. The problem is that when you're in the majority you don't see it that way sometimes and want to override the individual. In doing so you take away your own rights and should a situation where you're no longer in the majority occur you suddenly find yourself in an unfavorable position.

The proper balance of government will always be a struggle as people fight for power and everyone has their own ideas of what it should and shouldn't be and do. But people should keep in mind that government is a forceful entity. Everything it does is by force. So I like to propose that anytime you suggest government should do something you think about how it's doing it at gun point.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 21:25:04


Doushibag 
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I love you too Guy Mannington! Even if you are a crazy Canadian!
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 21:34:07


Doushibag 
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|> Does it change anything for non-Americans?

I'd say of course it does! Of course if it will immediately and drastically change for you depends... are we currently bombing your country? Do we seem to be considering it? If not to both those then the change may not be as immediately evident and positive.

Just think of it as your neighbor no longer hunting around your yard, but instead planting some trees to grow some more fruit.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 21:37:18


Doushibag 
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"Newt Gingrich, calling your bluff, do you really want to be president?"

"Noo..."

"Would you like to leave now and beat the rush out of the parking lot?"

"Thank you"

Haha.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/15/2011 22:40:03


FBG - Gaspumper 
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Fizer, I really think you should lock and delete these threads.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/16/2011 02:25:59


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doushibag, not only does noone give a fuck, you bring up these politics entirely in the context of some ron paul fundraiser. i dont have any problem with people discussing anything, politics, entertainment, whatever, on these boards, but i cant believe you cant tell the difference between 'anyone see community last night?' and 'community seasons 1 & 2 box set out 21st october!!!!! only $38.87 on amazon,
.com!!!!! catch community season 3 thursdays 9/10c nbc'

if you want to campaign for ron paul theres an entire section of the internet cordonned off for you: youtube comments, where everyone who has ever voted for him is always spamming with crap.

you arent offering your opinions in an open discussion of a topic, youre parroting talking points in unreadably long adverts for a political candidate. and you know that.

on a side note, my local ku klux klan chapter is holding a small fundraiser next saturday at the church, hope you can make it doushi. and dont forget to become a member of the communist party of america! [Link text]
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/16/2011 03:42:44


Doushibag 
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Hmmm, you make a good point [WM] x... I guess that is an important distinction that I wasn't making. Perhaps I shouldn't have done that. I was over eager in that it's not just selling some consumer product, but a set of ideals and a man to support them.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/16/2011 04:42:43

Guy Mannington 
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Wow [WM] x so angry.Who cares who he likes? and how is this post worth getting this upset, i find your posts much more offensive.

If your an old guy nevermind i love angry old guys
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/16/2011 06:31:45


Perrin3088 
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"doushibag, not only does noone give a fuck, you bring up these politics entirely in the context of some ron paul fundraiser. i dont have any problem with people discussing anything, politics, entertainment, whatever, on these boards, but i cant believe you cant tell the difference between 'anyone see community last night?' and 'community seasons 1 & 2 box set out 21st october!!!!! only $38.87 on amazon,
.com!!!!! catch community season 3 thursdays 9/10c nbc'"

I have to agree, you did come off as a staunch ron paul supporter to me..
Personally I don't mind the conversation, albeit I'll likely end up skipping over this thread, much like I do over Impaller Vs the World.. just because it's the kind of thing I don't tend to want to think about when I am visiting warlight.net in most occassions.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/16/2011 09:36:36


Domenico
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|> *Are we currently bombing your country? Do we seem to be considering it?*

How should we know? You're the Libertarian insider. Would the Netherlands be on your blacklist...?
Actually I think that, right now, Obama would rather bomb a rating agency than another country. :)
Seriously though, if you need that much money to *convince* people you're right, then you can't possibly *be* right.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/16/2011 12:48:18


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actually i dont care at all, it was all a trojan horse for that community plug.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/16/2011 13:57:10


TRUMP 
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"if you need that much money to convince people you're right, then you can't possibly be right."

Unfortunately, I think winning a presidential election is not as much about being right as it is about being telegenic and saying what people want to hear, which is one reason Ron Paul can never win. He's old, and has a high voice, and says things people don't like.

I like Ron Paul very much, but I happen to think he's wrong about the role of Government in society. I think there are things the government can and should do. However I agree with him that it's gotten too big and that bloated corporations and non-declared wars in every corner of the globe are ruining us.

P.S. lol @ [WM] x and Guy Mannington and the rest of you funny guys.
Politics -- Fair warning! Enter if you dare!: 10/17/2011 03:43:55


[FF] ibntahrir 
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Community is an amazing show and everyone should watch it.

I'd rather keep politics out of Warlight especially when talking about someone who has no chance at the nomination....looking at your Ron Paul (as much as I agree with about 40% of things you support). In short, watch Community, it's amazing, politics on Warlight is a bad idea and Ron Paul's campaign is fun to watch if you like watching the hindenburg explode in that old timie footage.
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