and we have the "public police" usually abusing their power here in Turkey too; maybe in lesser "violent" ways, but it's still there.

in the end, anything that abuses power - be it private or public - is bad, and that's why I stated this earlier;

the only problem is that there should be some "regulations" or limits to private security so one corporation won't get enough power to completely crush everyone else and turn into what we would call "tyranny".

there should never be one "big, unchecked" power that can get away with such abusements, this goes for both public and private. Competition between private sectors(and also of government's) is the only direct way to avoid such problems.

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We have that in the US. It's called the US Government.

When is the last time the USA held a gun to you (a slip by a jump on the trigger would do some bad)? Or the last time an actual mugger asked for 30% of your money if you make more than 50k$ each year, 20% if you make less than that, and 5% of the worth of your land, and then wielded some of that money to hire a guard for the neighbourhood, a neighbourhood bookloaner's, labs and upper teaching buildings, and help pay for your health?

And more weightily, so why wouldn't this happen in some kind strengthless emptiness?

When is the last time the USA held a gun to you (a slip by a jump on the trigger would do some bad)?

They don't need to hold a gun to folk, just flash it around.

Or the last time an actual mugger asked for 30% of your money if you make more than 50k$ each year, 20% if you make less than that, and 5% of the worth of your land, and then wielded some of that money to hire a guard for the neighbourhood, a neighbourhood bookloaner's, labs and upper teaching buildings, and help pay for your health?

Mm you're right, muggers ask for a wallet full and don't act like they're doing you a favor, they're better.

And more weightily, so why wouldn't this happen in some kind strengthless emptiness?

Governments don't rise out of nothingness, they rise out of tribes and other pieces of broken governments.

smegma butter,

who will build the roads in your fantasy land?

buh muh roadz

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smegma butter,

who will build the roads in your fantasy land?

Private construction companies. They already build the roads, the government contracts out to them on a lot of occasions. Having folk pay for it cuts out the middle man.

You know that who'd build the roads is a meme now right? It's one of the easiest to rebut questions to ask Ancaps, you really ought to ask something more sensible.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/22/ed/83/22ed832163f685d570c9d1439e00b820.jpg

Private construction companies. They already build the roads, the government contracts out to them on a lot of occasions. Having folk pay for it cuts out the middle man.

Pfffft. "Folk" won't pay for jack squat. I live in a private subdivision where the government has no obligation to maintain the road, and thus the maintence fund only comes from those who live out here. Guess what? Less than half actually pay into it, despite everyone needing the road. The road promptly goes to crap due to slouches who won't pay even when the need becomes desperate.

Our only choices are to either form a sub-division organization to force payments, thus getting sued because "Tyranny! MUH MONIES!", or to sit around while the road gets worse and worse.

AnCap on a small scale, and it fails quite tremendously.

They don't need to hold a gun to folk, just flash it around.

Threatening to pull a gun and threatening while a gun is pulled are two different things.

muggers ask for a wallet full and don't act like they're doing you a favor, they're better.

I don't mean no offence, but you aren't telling me you'd like sicilianu to rule over you than the USA government?

Governments don't rise out of nothingness, they rise out of tribes and other pieces of broken governments.

Samsung hires "private police" and other mercs. It makes agreements with other businesses that did the same over claims of land and operation in which they can extort folk. And they do it.

Pfffft. "Folk" won't pay for jack squat.

Mm, even underground organisations are usually under foreign government leadership and funding.

Threatening to pull a gun and threatening while a gun is pulled are two different things.

A thousand waiting to be pulled guns is worse than one pulled gun

I don't mean no offence, but you aren't telling me you'd like sicilianu to rule over you than the USA government?

I'm saying that muggers rob way less than governments

Samsung hires "private police" and other mercs

Private police =/= Mercenaries

Let's see, if private police take money from the folk, why would they give it to samsung? If they offer to pay them, well they already have pay and the money samsung could get from extortion is apparently either enough to make the private police keep it or not enough to justify paying for it in the first place, because Samsung would have to literally pay for money. Either way, both the private police take a huge hit in sales (do you want Korean warlords spying on you?) and both are expending huge amounts of money doing things they have never done before and are inefficient at.

"A thousand waiting to be pulled guns is worse than one pulled gun"
- Joseph Stalin, 1949

A thousand waiting to be pulled guns is worse than one pulled gun

is it? a bump on the road won't kill you if a safety is on the gun. Having a gun pulled on you is much worse psychologically especially without warning.

I'm saying that muggers rob way less than governments

Muggers in Choson rob more than government, there are no taxes in Choson, go move to your ancap paradise mmm

Let's see, if private police take money from the folk, why would they give it to samsung?

Cashiers take money from folk, too. They don't keep it for themselves, but how much money they get is usually reflected in how much they're paid. Furthermore, who's to say it will go through the mercs at all, and not directly billed to Samsung? Businesses aren't dumb.

Furthermore, taking taxes is not really intrinsic to government. Many tiny Caribbean countries get enough money from tourism that they have less than 1% income tax. Imperceptibly low.

And again, the frain arises, is it stealing when it's something not guaranteed to you nor something you ever had?

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Pfffft. "Folk" won't pay for jack squat. I live in a private subdivision where the government has no obligation to maintain the road, and thus the maintence fund only comes from those who live out here. Guess what? Less than half actually pay into it, despite everyone needing the road. The road promptly goes to crap due to slouches who won't pay even when the need becomes desperate.

Unless you can't use the road, there's not a lot of need to renovate it. It's a area of flat gravel or dirt. Especially when it's on a small neighborhood level, there's little need to do it.

Our only choices are to either form a sub-division organization to force payments, thus getting sued because "Tyranny! MUH MONIES!", or to sit around while the road gets worse and worse.

If it gets truly so bad that you can't use it, there's no real reason no one wouldn't pay for it.

AnCap on a small scale, and it fails quite tremendously.

Government on any scale has proven to be quite a failure

is it? a bump on the road won't kill you if a safety is on the gun. Having a gun pulled on you is much worse psychologically especially without warning.

One mugger with a gun might kill one person if the situation gets bad enough. If the government starts shooting, they can kill as many folk as they want.

Muggers in Choson rob more than government, there are no taxes in Choson, go move to your ancap paradise mmm

Eritrea has a great big government, go back to your paradise mmmm

Cashiers take money from folk, too. They don't keep it for themselves, but how much money they get is usually reflected in how much they're paid. Furthermore, who's to say it will go through the mercs at all, and not directly billed to Samsung? Businesses aren't dumb.

Cashiers don't have the power to screw off their employers and get off scot free and don't benefit from taking all the money and keeping the place as their own business, as they can only take all the money once.

Furthermore, who's to say it will go through the mercs at all, and not directly billed to Samsung? Businesses aren't dumb.

Mmm, the people will of course reject (would you hand over thousands of dollars to a cell phone company with no cause except them asking?), and the rouge police will go house to house getting money. They'll of course have to fight actual police and the citizens, spend lots of money on bullets and fuel, and once they have it, why give it to samsung? Your friends died for them to get your money? Faff that, keep it.

Furthermore, taking taxes is not really intrinsic to government. Many tiny Caribbean countries get enough money from tourism that they have less than 1% income tax. Imperceptibly low.

Mmm, a government that doesn't take taxes and just has a monopoly over a service might seem good, but if they don't have competitors, how do you keep them from jacking up the price on whatever they sell.

And again, the frain arises, is it stealing when it's something not guaranteed to you nor something you ever had?

Depends if you think it's guaranteed to you by the employer or if they're guaranteeing it to the government. Mmm, this is the best criticism of taxation is theft I've seen in a while.

Just keep in mind anarchism has never manifested in the real world and it never will,

https://theruleoffreedom.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/has-anarchy-existed-before/

More AnCap shitposting

"Omg, I can't beat his argument, so I'll just cry and say it'll never happen so I don't need to rebut him and I win!"

>muh blog is a source

Typical 17 yr old AnCap shitposting

>I don't need to ever adress what my opponents say and I win!

Typical nazi bullshit. You're the biggest crybaby on the damn site, and use fallacious logic and insults to deflect all the arguments presented towards you, and let me guess, this is all "muh basless characatar attacks!" and you're perfect.

? It's one of the easiest to rebut questions

Just because you type some bullshit doesn't mean you have rebutted anything. This is one of the easiest ways to debunk your whole ideology. You pretend my question is the strawman 'who will lay pavement' but we both know that's not all that is involved in building roads. The government decides where to build them and how they are paid for. Two things you didn't address.

I don't want to live in your society with the vague promise that there will be construction companies capable of building roads. That doesn't guarantee there will be a road in front of my house, nor a road from my house to Canada. Nor does it tell me the cost. Hypothetically speaking all that would exist if everybody in society was willing to pay for roads. In reality there would be a massive free rider problem. Lots of people saying 'I don't want to pay for roads, I never leave my house' or 'I don't want to pay for roads in Arkansas when I live in Alaska' etc. That would result in a lot less money available to pay those private construction companies and it will result in a lot fewer roads.

So why don't you try to spin some better bullshit. Who will build the roads?

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Just because you type some bullshit doesn't mean you have rebutted anything. This is one of the easiest ways to debunk your whole ideology. You pretend my question is the strawman 'who will lay pavement' but we both know that's not all that is involved in building roads. The government decides where to build them and how they are paid for. Two things you didn't address

Private businesses will request a road is layed down, a construction company will plan with them to lay one down, they pay for it, the road is maintained either by toll booths or the businesses.