I get where you are coming from. But I get too much hate mail. Not to mention the forums are spammed too much. If I hadn't used that script, I doubt I would even visit the forums(which is what most of the old timers do today)

For what it's worth, I've disabled the user script ever since I've been made a mod on the Strat forum, since I need to be able to see irrelevant posts so I can remove them.

Motd - I can fully understand you're busy and it's understandable that you can't yourself follow everything thats going on in CL...
but...
Having seen the proof about Emu Pub and LTEmperor
and having seen Tabbys posts (which i assume you've taken the time to do since the problem is now high profile). Plus his admission in this very thread that he only wished to be scorekeeper because " To me being a scorekeeper helps me understand what's going on in the entire division which can help my clan"

I do trust that none of those 3 will take any part at all in CL9 if there is to be one?

Such decisions will be made by a group of people as opposed to an individual. This ensures that personal bias/opinion do not get in the way of fairness. However, I don't think it is right to ban someone from the competition based on forum antics. Banning should be reserved for extreme cases like cheating only.

And there obviously will be a CL9. In my opinion, this is the most competitive arena on Warlight. It would be a shame if it ceased to exist.

You guys have too much time on your hands, get a life.

#motd4prez

This is pathetic , This thread is pathetic and all the drama and people who encouraged this are pathetic.

#motd4prez

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Like I said, there are costs to my approach. But I encourage you to look at the benefits too. Being open to communication (even when it got painstaking to randomly check game chats) helped a lot with IPL. Maybe it could help Clan League too. I mean, you've also blacklisted people for one-time actions- I don't think I have sent you hate mail (if I have, let me know!) and the only three incidents of forum spam I recall having been involved with were:

a) 3-4 days on NIGHT, because I thought that racism was too tolerated on the forums and was wondering whether something taken to an extreme would get caught (it did; I was wrong)

b) about 3 pages of spam on Division C (that I think I've been warned for). Like NIGHT, it was based on the idea that one way to stop something (like the race between Division C and Division D to have the most posts in their thread, which had already led to substantial off-topic discussion) was to take it up a notch and reveal how stupid it is. Again, I admit I was in the wrong here.

c) Division D, where I came to believe that you (and others) valued low-quality content over updates and decided to join in by removing all my updates (temporarily) and replacing them with low-quality content... because, hey, if it wasn't valued, it wouldn't be missed.


I think one criticism I have to level here is that, in your eyes, these 3 deviations (actually, just one of them) from standard behavior were enough to outweigh things like IPL and turn me into a "petty child" whose posts you wanted to never see again. It seems like it's more than just hate mail and consummate spammers, really even people who make a small set of mistakes.

Look at Ben, for example- he hasn't sent you hate mail either. I haven't seen him spam the forum, even, and yet:

Hopefully not, I am going to spread it around (I've already showed JSA and GrEx), and hope it gets to Clan League council because if I mail MotD he will be SUPER pissed and not even look at it, and he removed me from his skype contacts.

Anyways I have to go now, it will be going around warlight that the M'Hunters clan is cheating in Clan League.

A lot of other people are also just not communicating with you, either, because- like I said earlier- your attitude of declaring people "petty children" over one-time things... well, I think it's isolating yourself too much.

You can still blacklist the people who send you hate mail or people you don't like to play with. But you've frankly gone overboard and burned bridges that you absolutely need to maintain if you want Clan League 9 to be more than just the empty repository on GitHub it is right now.

It would be a shame if it ceased to exist.

Not if it were replaced by something better. :P I estimate I've got 10 weeks or so to beat you there.

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Who Motd blacklists and who he doesn't blacklist is nobody else's business but his own and he shouldn't have to justify his reasons to anyone. As he's stated there's numerous people that can be contacted to discuss anything clan league related.

This all seems too much of a coincidence to have a couple of people kick up so much drama about clan league 8 around the time that you guys are starting another league. I really do wonder if this was all created just to make trouble in order to get people to join your league instead.

Seriously just give the guy a bloody break, everyone who knows Motd, know him to be a kind, fair, honest person who is absolutely dead against cheating. Just take a long hard look at yourselves..and think does he or anyone else who puts a ton of effort in for the warlight community, really deserve all this crap?!?

Motd4prezz

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This all seems too much of a coincidence to have a couple of people kick up so much drama about clan league 8 around the time that you guys are starting another league.

Just to clarify things, I'm working on another league as a result of this. It's not a coincidence, but you've got the causal chain backwards.

Again, we're not going to get anywhere if we just make things personal and pretend that one side wants to just say the other side is a bunch of bad people. Literally the first thing I said in one of my posts was that MotD is a great guy and does a lot for the community.

Don't put words in other people's mouths. Instead try to actually consider what they've got to say instead of projecting your intent onto them. This is exactly why all serious discussion in this community degrades to wasteful, idiotic personal attacks. Speaking of "petty children"...

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Good luck on that, Tabby. :)

I'll welcome competition.

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It's a dog eat cat world.

#motd4prez

It's a cat eat dog world?

#motd4prez

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The only way to resolve this is to create an Opress MotD Group... and I have an unused clan token... this is tempting...

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Yeah, let me just send a PM to MotD.... oh wait... I'm on his blacklist... Skype? Turns out we're mutually blocked. :P Like I said, MotD isn't exactly someone you can contact easily to resolve issues. He seems like he'd rather just not see things anymore.


In any case, Opress MoD Group was a joke clan. :P Might wanna look it up real quick to get what I was saying in my last post. No ill will, bruh.

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^^Why didn't anyone think of this before?

^I hope you use the prime number you were looking for because all MotD needs is 1 and himself

#motd4prez

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MotD has always responded quickly to any concerns I had involving the CL. He stepped in for Chris, and imo has done a fine job managing the CL.

@Kynte with your 5 alts and his 5 alts it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to get an important mail to him

@MotD you've been doing an excellent job man, keep it up. Only thought is be more strict about who can keep score, and maybe ask Fizzer for mod rights so you can keep the clan league threads under control.

#motd4prez

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with your 5 alts and his 5 alts it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to get an important mail to him

I believe he went through the effort of blacklisting my alts... I'll check again though. Don't know his other 5 alts.

But I don't actually have much to say. Wasn't even planning on posting on this issue today but new things (mainly this thread) came up. Honestly, I was sure 24 hours ago that this was all over and doesn't need more discussion and that any good solutions would come from places that aren't the forum. Thinking the same now, and if nothing new comes up this time I honestly want to just stay out of it so I don't get more PM's asking me "Why are you always causing drama?"

maybe ask Fizzer for mod rights so you can keep the clan league threads under control.

A++ idea. MotD should at least be MotDerating on the Strat forum. Maybe we can get the Clan League threads moved there?

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I have spent a lot of time answering individual questions. Benjamin, GE, Platinum, Styxie, Tackytical, KKND or the numerous group leaders who I've chased down to get line-ups filled will attest to that.


This is true

Motd offers great customer service like Vareshnu in south park. Its not the league which is the problem it'd the assholes who play in it for all the wrong reasons..

@Motd You have done a fantastic job to the league and you are helping the community enormously with the work you do with manager league and cl , Credit goes to councils and advisors you guys rock!

@Knyte , Yeah your right keep going posting essays on the forums! I'm wrong

#mod4prez

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Now all you are is a grown adult who is wasting his time debating and arguing on video game. This is pathetic and you shod let this go clan league is not the problem you are for causing all this stupid drama because you have nothing else to Do with your life..

I think you're making quite a few wrong personal assumptions here just because I happen to be on the opposing side of an issue. Maybe you should ask yourself whether you'd pegged me wrong earlier? That I can both be that guy who gets all this unwarranted praise for having the most basic familiarity with web scraping and the guy who thinks that there's some structural problems we need to address?

Yes, it's just a video game. And while it's not as important to me as my real job, my education, the different types of hot sauce that I have yet to try, or the cheap, delicious food you can get in Pittsburgh past 11 pm (don't judge me; I'm a college student)... that doesn't mean things here don't matter to the point that it's stupid to do anything about them.

Again, like I've said before, I want to leave this conversation where it is and let others take care of the rest. And I gladly will, if you don't make it personal. I mean, I actually know meaningful personal details here about people on the other side of the issue- and even then I haven't made any personal attacks, because that's not what we should be discussing here.

You don't know me like that, man.

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Blacklisted you are hopeless.

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Compare my post to Platinum's response. If that doesn't reveal how hard the community overreacts to mere criticism, I don't know what does.

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