Well, it's a tough topic. The bombings were not needed, but they sure did cut the war by probably a year or Maybe even two. The Japanese were not gonna surrender and even after the carpet bomb campaign you would still need to send millions of Americans into what would have probably made D-day, Berlin, and Iwo Jima look like a tough baseball game. And delaying would have allowed the Russians to have a chance at occupying part of Japan. If that happened, Korea would have gone a completely different way and we might have had a Japanese Civil war.
I think the bombing in the end was probably worth it, but at a deadly cost. It simply came down to do we want millions of Japanese and Americans to die? Or just hundreds of thousands of Japanese?. The bombing actually probably saved millions of civilians who would have been forced to fight for their homeland and die in a land war.
Edited 7/24/2016 17:38:49
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/24/2016 17:40:55
Didn't ask if you have changed opinions but if this was the best place to be doing so. Most people are here to play a game not make dramatic changes to the world.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/24/2016 17:49:21
The Japanese were not gonna surrender and even after the carpet bomb campaign you would still need to send millions of Americans into what would have probably made D-day, Berlin, and Iwo Jima look like a tough baseball game
Thing is that we could have accepted a number of peace treaties proposed to America by Japan. We could have probably came up with a better peace treaty than otl too, before Operation August Storm happened.
The main obstacle is the unconditional peace aspect of things. If we had ignored that, things could have ended better in Japan and Asia in general, with communism spreading slower, Japan less beaten up, and fewer Americans dead.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/24/2016 17:50:09
Didn't ask if you have changed opinions but if this was the best place to be doing so. Most people are here to play a game not make dramatic changes to the world.
Well if they want to just play a game they don't have to come and talk here.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/24/2016 17:52:39
There are serious debate forums out there. You'd probably enjoy them for discussion more so than the warlight forums. It's likely more opinions would be changed as well.
I do agree that the bombs that hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not crucial in ending the war with Japan, but I believe they were effective in showing what the new superpower of the world was capable of, making the Soviets think twice about immediately engaging in direct conflict.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/25/2016 19:40:47
But the droppings of the atom bomb on Japanese cities really illustrated the destruction it could cause to the world, and America was in possession of this superweapon. When firebombing cities, they targeted cities that would be more flammable. The purpose was to maximise the fear of opposing the military might of the USA.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 7/26/2016 00:11:55
Yeah, Stalin didn't think much of the bomb and I don't think any of his informants actually saw it so they couldn't pass along much except some readings that most folk would tune out. This would have intimidated lots of folk.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 8/2/2016 04:12:19
They didn't need to get it, and if Japan kept Korea as a puppet, guess what, no Korean War and no split Korea.
Wow, Japan keeping Korea was a good idea? The Japanese committed cultural genocide in Korea, they forced the people to change their names to Japanese ones, forced them to speak Japanese, and to conform to Japanese culture and standards.
Japan sucked all of the resources out of Korea, tried to destroy its culture, and massacred or jailed any dissenters. You think Japan keeping ANY territory outside of Japan was a good idea? Fuck you.
The atomic bombings were not needed: 8/2/2016 04:51:30
Wow, Japan keeping Korea was a good idea? The Japanese committed cultural genocide in Korea, they forced the people to change their names to Japanese ones, forced them to speak Japanese, and to conform to Japanese culture and standards.
It's better than chopping it in two and handing it to dictators hell bent on conquering the other side, which would result in more than two million deaths and a possible chance of nuclear holocaust. Note, this wouldn't have to be permanent and the US could later start separating Japan from Korea, and Japan could be forced to decolonize it.
You think Japan keeping ANY territory outside of Japan was a good idea? Fuck you.
It did keep territory outside of Japan, Okinawa.
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The atomic bombings were not needed: 8/2/2016 06:34:13
Here's all the reasons I could think of that someone would think capitalism requires a state.
PROTECTION
Protection can be provided privately, as evidenced by current private security firms.
CURRENCY
Currency is just an item used to facilitate trade. While this is normally associated with governments as they tend to make their own, currency can be created privately, as evidenced by Bitcoin.
INFRASTRUCTURE
Infrastructure, at least in the US, is paid for by tax money and done by construction companies. Government is an unnecessary middle man in this.
HUMAN NATURE
This argument is kinda dumb, no offense. Humans like other animals and predispositioned to not want to cause harm to one another. This is evidenced in that trade, society, and peace exists between humans.
(If you have some problems with this Paugers, I'd be willing to talk about it in a mail thread.)
The atomic bombings were not needed: 8/2/2016 10:15:24
