| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/10/2016 14:33:22 |
PanagiotisTheGreekFreak
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Is it possible to add an extra column writing about win% of a player at the main Ranking List?
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/11/2016 12:54:19 |
Ekstone 
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@Buns This was my original idea :) - 128 players will be invited to the 4 Grand Slams
- 64 players to the 8 Masters 1000 events
- 32 players to the 500 series events
- 16 players to the 250 series tourneys
In the beginning I thought the AWP World Tour will work similar than the tennis Tour. In the tennis, the TOP players mainly plays on the 12 major events and only a few 500 or 250 Series events only (and only their sponsor the reason why they play on them at all :D ). A TOP30 player average play only on 20-22 events per year (on the 12 major plus 8-10 smaller events). But in our AWP World Tour, you guys, you are fanatic :D The TOP30 players joining almost all the events so far :D This is why I had to raise the original player numbers and use "qualification" rounds. So now the 250 Series events are very hard in Ranking point of view. You have to win 3 games to get 45 points (in a Grand Slam you get it after 1 win, the other events need 2 wins but not 3). And if you win the event you get only 250 points (compared to 500, 1000 or 2000), and still need to win 6 games for it :O But again, originally, these 250 Series events are for the medium players to gain some points for the Rankings, not the TOP players :D But became to this :D Anyway, I am open every proposals to improve the Tour. @Pana I am planning to improve the google sheet, and if I separate the present win-loss field then I can create a new automate calculated win% field. Anyway, we are talking with PJ about some changes on the Tour, but now there is nothing clear yet.
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/11/2016 14:13:53 |
Love
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maybe a limited participation from the top players in 250 500? for example you have to sign up max 5? and special tournaments for new people or midlle in points people? and only 1-2 small tournaments with the top 16 but it will mainly be a show not many points just for the fight between the top 16 for example
special tournaments can give for example a guaranteed wild card in a grand slam or other tournaments
Edited 10/11/2016 14:14:36
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/11/2016 19:50:11 |
Love
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if we upgrade the points? and have less rounds?
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/12/2016 06:33:18 |
MIFRAN
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Those are called 1000 master or Grand Slams, thats the point with this system.
That some tournaments are given more points for example the 4 Grand Slams which are a lot more attractive to go far in than the 250 if u want to gain more points.
If u want to make all tournaments counts for the same amount of points, the hole system would be almost similar to the current WSOW, just with more tournaments ongoing.
Edited 10/12/2016 06:33:42
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/12/2016 11:43:22 |
Ekstone
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Weekly Tour News - Week 40th - 82 games finished last week on the Tour (797 finished games so far)
The most active player was Buns (6-0), followed by MoD (5-0), fireice82 (4-1) and Milly (2-3).
- 11 new players joined to us last week, welcome on the Tour!
205 players were involved so far.
- The 250 Series - Macro Land Tour event finished
Congrats to Buns157, this was his second tournament win!
- The 19th Tour event started
https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=20830
- The TOP10 on the Tour after the week 40th:
Rank Players Total points Win-Loss Tourney still in/all
1 MIFRAN 1,840 29-9 4/15
2 Buns157 1,755 31-6 5/13
3 master of desaster 1,485 34-11 4/17
4 DR. Love 1,270 13-6 5/11
5 Milly 1,155 21-11 3/14
6 PanagiotisTheGreekFreak 970 27-10 6/16
7 FlyingBender 955 15-8 4/12
8 Krzysztof 665 19-13 2/15
9 Wini 640 20-12 4/16
10 rakleader 565 19-13 3/16
- MIFRAN didn't finish any games last week, but his big point advantage was enough to hold the first position (although the two other members of The Big Three highly accelerated :D ).
He hold the first position for 3 consecutive weeks already, congrats!
- Buns did an amazing 6-0 records last week, with 2 wins he reached the final in the first Masters and won his second event (a 250 Series) too, very big congratulations for this great performance!
- MoD did a very nice 5-0 records too, but did only one finals (a new 250 Series semifinal, what means he will need 500 Series SF or 250 Series final to get any additional points to his best six results in the future :O), so got points but not so much than Buns, so he slipped back to the third position.
- DR. Love's story continued, after he earlier defeated GreenTea, Timon, last weak won against Sultan and Milly too and reached the final in the first Grand Slam! And did a flawless 4-0 record too btw. Very big congrats!
- Panagiotis continued his great performance on the Tour, and did a flawless (2-0) record last week again (and reached the semifinal in the first Masters), but he still need a really great result (starting to win events :D) for move forwarding.
- The fight for the TOP10 positions is very hard btw, the 11th-19th players all are within 100 points to the 10th postion :O
And what about outside of the TOP10?
- There are 5 undefeated players on the Tour:
Seph's Sausage, Tjoex, Ryzys (2-0), Alexander The Only One, Rogue Nikolai Krogius (1-0)
- Not perfect, but still nice (at least +3) records:
Sułtan Kosmitów (9-1!), Pedro Luiz (12-6), [NL]surfpizza (10-4), almosttricky (8-2), PJ017 (9-4), ACL Tears (8-3), fireice82 (12-8), Swisster, Jackie Treehorn (11-7), Beren (10-6), ANT (18-15), Hunta (12-9), iNsAnE (7-4), Timinator (6-3)
- You can find here the full Ranking List:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ao0SlM6Kv6CE1-Ha5mBIrI6nj4Uft2lMaE25qbXxWHs/pubhtml
Player of the week
Buns & DR. Love
LOL, I can't decide :D
More highlighted players from last week:
- MoD - flawless 5-0 record
- Swisster - flawless 3-0 record
- fireice82 - a very nice 4-1 record
- iNsAnE - a nice 3-1 record
- Min34 - did his first final, congrats
Most positions (10+) moved up players in the Rankings in last week:
- 36 positions - Alexander The Only One 136-100, Rogue Nikolai Krogius 136-100, andy903 136-100, Cicero XXII 136-100, HotBeachBum 136-100
- 35 positions - Ryzys 129-94
- 32 positions - The Drunken Master MB 118-86
- 30 positions - Memele 112-82
- 27 positions - iNsAnE 51-24, dreuj 96-69
- 20 positions - AI 81-61
- 18 positions - elbee 82-64
- 16 positions - ThePlayer 66-50
- 12 positions - DR. Love 16-4
- 11 positions - davidhmtk 136-125
- 10 positions - ps 29-19, almosttricky 37-27
Tour records:
- The most tournament win
- 2 - MIFRAN, MoD, Buns
- 1 - Beren
Players with most finals:
- 8 - MoD (2W, 1F, 3SF, 2QF),
- 7 - Panagiotis (1F, 2SF, 4QF)
- 6 - Buns (2W, 2F, 2SF)
- 5 - MIFRAN (2W, 1SF, 2QF)
- 4 - FlyingBender (2SF, 2QF), Krzysztof (1F, 1SF, 2QF), Milly (1SF, 3QF)
Players with most win (win%):
- 34 - MoD (76%)
- 31 - Buns (84%!)
- 29 - MIFRAN (76%)
- 27 - Panagiotis (73%)
- 21 - Milly (66%)
- 20 - Wini (63%)
- 19 - Krzysztof (59%), rakleader (59%)
- 18 - ANT (55%)
The highest ranking points (the maximum is 19000)
- 1840 - MIFRAN
- 1755 - Buns
- 1485 - MoD
The most event participation
- joined to all 18 events so far - ANT and Don [ Ω ]
- joined to 17 events - MoD, culpa
- joined to 16 events - Panagiotis, rakleader, Wini
- joined to 15 events - MIFRAN, 13CHRIS37, Krzysztof
- joined to 14 events - Milly, Botanator
- joined to 13 events - Buns, Hunta
- joined to 12 events - 7 players
- joined to 11 events - 5 players
- joined to 10 events - 7 players
- joined to 9 events - 7 players
- joined to 8 events - 11 players
- joined to 7 events - 10 players
- joined to 6 events - 13 players
- joined to 5 events - 15 players
- joined to 4 events - 15 players
- joined to 3 events - 25 players
- joined to 2 events - 28 players
- joined to 1 event only - 48 players
Edited 10/12/2016 14:04:40
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/12/2016 11:44:08 |
Ekstone
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/12/2016 13:48:30 |
Buns157
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The highest ranking points (the maximum is 19000)
1840 - MIFRAN
1755 - MoD
1485 - Buns You made a slight mistake somewhere in your last update text. Thanks for the regular updates, its a fun league.
Edited 10/12/2016 13:48:54
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/12/2016 14:03:33 |
Ekstone
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I don't think there is an issue :) Good! (RigidGodfatherLook smiley) Joke aside, @DR. Love (or Buns), I am really waiting for the exact issue with the event levels, because I don't fully understand it. Ok, now the 250 Series events are not really easier than even the Grand Slams (only one thing, -1 game needed for win) because the most TOP players always join and play :D So same difficulty level but only about 10% of the obtainable points (2000 points for a Grand Slam event win, and only 250 for a 250 Series event win, or 45 points for 1 game win in a Grand Slam, while need 3 wins in a 250 Series event for 45 points!) But hey, why do you join to the 250 Series events? :P If for pure fun, then HF :D If for some more records beside the fun, then GL&HF :D But for points not really worth. The 12 major events are the core of the Rankings, and from these, there are four highlighted events (the Grand Slams) which are the most important in Ranking point of view. If you want good rank, you should play on the 12 major events, and on some (mainly 500 Series) smaller events for the best six results, and that's all. Of course, if you have enough time, you can play in all events, but mainly for fun. I think this system is good, because not very much time or games needed to reach the top of the Rankings. If you are very good, and want to get the first position, you have to play during one year maximum (or less if you win all events where you joined :D ) and play only on 15-20 single elimination tourneys (with 64-128 players) during that year. Eh, too much speech again :D Put it more simply, major events for Rankings, smaller events for fun :D @Buns: yw and corrected :D
Edited 10/12/2016 14:05:27
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/12/2016 14:18:19 |
Ekstone
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If u want to make all tournaments counts for the same amount of points, the hole system would be almost similar to the current WSOW, just with more tournaments ongoing. I don't agree. The main difference between the WSOW and the Tour, that the WSOW has got a beginning and an end (and there are seasons), but the Tour hasn't got an end :D It is similar than the 1vs1 ladder just using tournament formats :D
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/13/2016 08:47:12 |
Ekstone
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Ok, seems there is no serious problem with the present tournament levels (DR. Love sent me private mail), great. But if still it is any with it, please anybody feel free to write here (better than private mail, because we can discuss it with more players). Ok, so no problem with the event levels, but we have one with the present expiration rule. My partner, PJ drew my attention to it (so more organizers = better series) :D My original plan was that all results will be expired on the next year Monday when the given event started (for example an event started on the 30th week of 2016, then all results from that event will be expired on Monday of the 30th week of 2017). But in an extreme situation, possible that a result never counted :O I mean the case when an event doesn't finish in one year (so the event results will be deleted before some of them (finals) can be counted :D ) PJ proposed this expiration system: The points could count untill the next year's equivalent tournament is finished?
Meaning the points earned in Grand Slam #3 2016 stay finished untill Grans Slam #3 2017 is finished.
The points earned in Grand Slam #3 2017 expire when Grand Slam #3 20178 is completed.. I like it, seems better than the old one. Ok, in very extreme situation still possible the issue above, but the average time while a result can be alive will be exactly 1 year! And it is true for all results, I mean, now, it is very varied, earlier round results live much more than the final points for example, in the new system this will be unified for all results! But it is associated with the present Rankings and updates (pretty big) changing too :O I mean, in the present system, if you win a simple game on any Tour event, on next week Mondays it will be counted to your ranking points immediately. But in the new system, there will be monthly ranking list instead of weekly (because though if 1 event start in every week, average 1 event will finished per weeks, but that is only average, there will be weeks where no any new finished event, so no sense to make weekly ranking lists, but likely always will be new finished events in monthly base.). Plus if you win a game on any Tour event, it will be counted only after the whole event will be finished! So in the old system your all wins counted on the next Mondays, in the new systems your wins will be counted in the next month and only that case if the given event will be finished until the end of the present month! And of course, the present Rankings will be changed a lot too :O I will remove all the points from events which haven't finished yet, and remain only the points from the finished events (we have 7 finished events so far, and 12 started one so...) But the good news that administer this new system is much much more simple, so I will have more time for improving the Tour or create other stuff, because though I liked to work on the updates a lot, but it used up all my Warlight time :| I post here this, because before we change the system I am interested in your opinions. Because some present weekly statistics and records will be ceased or replaced with monthly based ones, and the weekly updates will be ceased too in the present format (there will be monthly news instead of it, and likely will be shorter news between them too) So what do you think about it?
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/13/2016 10:05:43 |
Ekstone
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Very good examples, thank you PJ! 2) Player y won the first 500 Series in 2017 (500 points), but did not join the first 500 Series in 2018. When the 2018 tournament is finished, the 500 points expire and will be replaced by the next best performance of that player in a 250 or 500 Series. Some more details: ...will be replaced by the next < not already counted > best perfomrance... (so actually by the 6th NOT EXPIRED best results :D ) And the 100th post belong to me yeah :D
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/14/2016 16:56:57 |
rakleader
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Regarding example 2), do you keep track of every player's 500 and 250 results? If you only write down the best 6 results, you might have some problems next year when some of the 6 best performances will get replaced. Rather than going through every tournament one by one, for every replacement, it might be better to keep track of everything right now.
Anyway, I think this new system is a great idea! Unless you find a way to somehow automate the process, doing monthly updates is probably your best option.
It will significantly reduce your workload if you only update the tournaments that ended during the month. And it will keep things fair for players who are still waiting for their 2nd game, while other players have already completed 3 or 4 games.
Also, since we're discussing rules, I think you should implement a rule against players stalling or playing too slowly. There are many complaints regarding this problem on the tournament chats, so it's probably best to address it as soon as possible.
I'm not saying we should change the 3-day speed or not allow players to go on vacations. But the AWP World Tour was always designed to have fast tournaments (hence the single-elimination format rather than the fairer double-elimination), and I believe we should keep it this way.
On the seasonal ladder wiki, it is written that "Players are expected to make a reasonable effort to finish a game before the season ends.". Well, it should be the same on the Tour. Players should be expected to make a reasonable effort to quickly finish their game, if that game is clearly stalling the whole tournament.
And if a player doesn't make that effort, or can't make that effort because he has a busy life, then perhaps he should stop receiving invites before he finishes his game.
(I'm not attacking anyone here, I'm just saying that the spirit of this Tour is to have a lot of fast tournaments, and we should try to preserve it. :) )
Edited 10/14/2016 17:01:07
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/14/2016 17:54:10 |
MIFRAN
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+1 Rak.
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/15/2016 05:05:04 |
Ekstone
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Regarding example 2), do you keep track of every player's 500 and 250 results? If you only write down the best 6 results, you might have some problems next year when some of the 6 best performances will get replaced. Rather than going through every tournament one by one, for every replacement, it might be better to keep track of everything right now. Of course, every results are registered and stored. My plan is, I will archive and share here the monthly Ranking Lists, and after every year, I will do a year archive, and share it here too, and in that google sheet will be visible all the results of the players from last year, not only the best six results :) (in the monthly archive will be only the actual best six results though). Anyway, PJ and me are working on the FAQs, where everything will be explained, for example these topic and expiration mehtod too. Anyway, I think this new system is a great idea! Unless you find a way to somehow automate the process, doing monthly updates is probably your best option.
It will significantly reduce your workload if you only update the tournaments that ended during the month. And it will keep things fair for players who are still waiting for their 2nd game, while other players have already completed 3 or 4 games. Well, we will see :D I mean, everything has its pros and cons :D I will try to compensate the cons of this change :D About your last theme, I read this tournament chat (I guess you wrote about this one): https://www.warlight.net/MultiPlayer/Tournament?ID=20496I simple copying here my posts: Great, the first drama on the Tour :|
Many reactions here were not the right way, imo :(
Well, we have an issue, let's try to solve it in a CONSTRUCTIVE way!
@Thanatos: the players came here not for eating cookies but competing. The main goal of the Tour is the fun for everybody. Including you Thanatos, but everybody else too.
@Guys: help us to find a consructive solution instead of impatient drama posts (or trolling :P)
First of all, we should investigate wheter how slow Thanatos is actually? I mean, compared to the other slow players, he is really extremely slow? :O
And I suggest, that we continue this on the forum, easier posting and reading imo (and rakleader already started the theme overthere) Ok, now I have to go, later I will check the slow players on the Tour what is the exact situation with this.
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| AWP World Tour Magazine: 10/15/2016 08:13:39 |
Ekstone
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Ok, I did a quick check on the google sheet, and collected the finished games for some players.
Finished games of players who joined to 9 tourneys so far
18 - Pedro Luiz, Swisster
13 - mm3100, Pushover, JV
11 - ACL Tears
5 - Thanatos
Finished games of players who joined to 8 tourneys so far
16 - Min34
15 - USA Biches
12 - pip, Oh Noes, ThePlayer
11 - AI
10 - Matt431, Olivix
9 - awesomeusername, Onoma94
8 - Boubou
Nackickwind was mentioned as a really slow player, so I checked him too:
16 finished games on 12 tourneys
Ok, maybe this isn't the perfect statistics, but definitely shows that Thanatos really plays extremely slow. Slow players, like ACL Tears or awesomeusername (or Nackickwind) still have got 1+ finished games/joined tourneys ratio, while, after a very big gap, Thanatos has got only 0,56.
@Thanatos:
I don't want to tell you how you play Warlight at all, but what do you think, is there any possiblity to change your playing speed on the Tour? Maybe play 2 turns when you check your games, not only one, or I don't know. You know your playing habits and your schedules so only you know is it possible or not :O
And I am clear with that you didn't hurt any Tour rules, and always somebody must be as the slowest players, but check the second slowest players, is it possible that somehow you reduce that really big gap?
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