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Germanic Languages: 5/23/2016 00:15:12


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Vague criticism when I sent you tons of links with sites providing information with precise stats explaining where does this 6% came from.


I was sent a map with swedish speaking regions in blue, I added them. The only name you've mentioned is "Turku" which I've already established is not actually inc luded in my map and was just an error on my part thinking that it was.

And funnily enough, you linked to a map showing the exact same regions that I've added on my map (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Germanic_Languages_Map_Europe.png), so frankly I'm not sure what you want with finland. You're sending very conflicting messages here.


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Indeed it has already been published, but if Imperator had been focused on a map really showing where Germanic Languages are spoken (like this one: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Germanic_Languages_Map_Europe.png ) and not nations where Germanic languages are dominant then his map would have been totally accurate, sadly it isn't.


While accuracy is important, it's only to a degree. Places like alsace and that region west of belgium are too small to have their own territory, and are therefore impractical to add.

Taking out places like northern scotland, western ireland, and northern norway eliminate conenctions that are crucial to gameplay, and are also off-limits:

http://i1263.photobucket.com/albums/ii638/bb4bb4/Play%20Risk%20Online%20Free%20%20%20WarLight.png?t=1463874699

Greenland should not be added, since the most spoken language in that region isn't a Germanic language but Kalaallisut (Greenlandic), spoken by about 50,000 people out of 58,000 inhabitants in Greenland. And since you won't believe me because well anything I say has to be "ignored", here is a quote "A majority of the population speak Kalaallisut (West Greenlandic), most of them bilingually. It is spoken by about 50,000 people, making it the most populous of the Eskimo–Aleut language family, spoken by more people than all the other languages of the family combined." (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenland#Languages). Not to mention Greenlandic isn't the unique language spoken that isn't Germanic, you have many other minority Eskimo languages and dialects.


Greenland is part of denmark, and therefore gets added by default. Not to mention that most people in greenland speak danish as well as inuit.

but the same can be said for many sites in this map - like the Channel Islands, they're not included, they're in Europe, they're Germanic? Oh no...all you're whining about is small border wrongness.


The channel islands aren't even visible at the scale I've made the map at, and representing them with a circle would make them overlap with france, which would be just weird.

Now I know I said that I Didn't appreciate your vague criticism koala, but that's not entirely true. I do appreciate the discussion, although it does seem like you guys are just going back and forth and going nowhere.
Germanic Languages: 5/25/2016 09:30:54


Angry Koala
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The only name you've mentioned is "Turku" which I've already established is not actually inc luded in my map and was just an error on my part thinking that it was.


Turku is the other official name of Åbo, the name you added in that map before you changed that region's name into an even more inaccurately name of "one city": Jakobstad.

Greenland is part of denmark, and therefore gets added by default. Not to mention that most people in greenland speak danish as well as inuit.


Yes but your map isn't about "nations where Germanic languages are official/dominant", it is precisely about where Germanic languages are spoken natively or as a first language, and in this category Greenland has nothing to do here, since the native and first language is Greenlandic and other native languages, not Danish nor English. Another interested info: Greenland since 2009 has only one official language: Greenlandic.


Places like alsace and that region west of belgium are too small to have their own territory, and are therefore impractical to add.


Places like Alsace (8,500km2) (not even counting other French Germanic zones) should not be added but other places like Sudtyrol (7,000km2) that are smaller are added there?


Since misunderstanding have been solved (I hope), all have been said anyway, not going to torment you further.
Germanic Languages: 5/25/2016 20:11:37


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Turku is the other official name of Åbo, the name you added in that map before you changed that region's name into an even more inaccurately name of "one city": Jakobstad.


It was a mistake on my part to name it turku. I've already fixed this mistake.

Do you actually have any reason to believe that I've included finnish municipalities where swedish is only spoken by 6% of the population?

Yes but your map isn't about "nations where Germanic languages are official/dominant"


Yes it is. If there is a state in which A germanic language is an official language, I am going to be including the whole of it's jurisdiction, as I've already established that I will not be cutting any more pieces out of countries.

Places like Alsace (8,500km2) (not even counting other French Germanic zones) should not be added but other places like Sudtyrol (7,000km2) that are smaller are added there?


Alsace and South tyrol are relatively similar in size, 3200 mi² vs 2900 mi². The difference is that south tyrol is a relatively square region, and makes a really nice territory. Alsace is really narrow, and thus makes a very poor territory.

Not to mention that only 39% of adults in alsace actually speak German, so by any reasonable definition it's not even Germanic.
Germanic Languages: 5/25/2016 21:59:47


Angry Koala
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Do you actually have any reason to believe that I've included finnish municipalities where swedish is only spoken by 6% of the population?


The thing is that you added also parts of Finland hinterland, not only "Swedish speaking cities" that are most of all close to the sea. If we were just showing cities where Swedish is dominant then it would be represented in your map as small points, not an entire region that you however represented here.

that only 39% of adults in alsace actually speak German, so by any reasonable definition it's not even Germanic.


Take a look on the link I provided from the University of Laval which roughly reported 53% of Alsatian speakers in 2014 (not even counting German speakers here), take also in count that in contrary of Sudtyrol or Finnish regions, there is in Alsace a big international city (Strasbourg), so this is why Alsatian speakers are "only representing" a little more than half of the total population. And even if we took in count 39% is still more than what you could find in Greenland or the Finnish regions that you added here (since what you show in your map does not only count Swedish speaking cities but also Finland hinterland with almost no Swedish speakers).
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