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Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/8/2016 11:19:25


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Xy a nation that kills its protesters is not a nation but a genocide in progress. By murdering their own people, they'd be braking human rights and their economy would take a nose dive from sanctions and lack of labor force.

Honestly, xy. Do you even consider
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/8/2016 20:29:16


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china b doing all sorts of shit that would be considered crimes against humanity

where r their sanctons lol
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/8/2016 21:29:45


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Xy a nation that kills its protesters is not a nation but a genocide in progress.


First, a genocide means killing a specific group of folk based on some cultural aspect of them, I think the word you look for is democide.

By murdering their own people, they'd be braking human rights


There's no human rights to break, the constitution says it's ok - it's ok. As you said, "you act as though the government allowing theft and murder is a bad thing."

their economy would take a nose dive from sanctions and lack of labor force.


Oh, what an idealistic outlook of the world...where are the American sanctions on Israel, I wonder...
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/8/2016 21:46:27


Major General Smedley Butler
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What about Vermin Supreme?
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/8/2016 22:05:15


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Xy, I think you are ignoring my point.

By Natural Selection, the current governments of today have been created. Because past types have failed or fell into pieces, new and better and learn'd governments rose from the ashes. If a government doesn't allow such basic human rights such as life and liberty or taxation with representation, they are not going to last long from external pressure and internal pressure. The thing that will turn a government's head the most is the mobs that arise from working masses.

Xy you continue to misunderstand or worse, you purposely distort my points. When a nation WILLINGLY, puts into its constitution that basic human rights are not a part of their nation's right, it is okay because that government will never last.

If the government does not satisfy its people with decentralization, liberties, rights, etc., the government will not maintain popular support, and without popular support you might as well be non-existent already.

It is similar to Gandhi's situation. The British soldiers can only slaughter so many Indians, they will only have so many bullets, and there are only so many Indians. There's a point where they either run out of ammunition or there are no more Indians. If they run out of Indians, there is no labor force. Without a labor force, there is no economy and without economy there is no government because the government has nothing to base itself upon.

If the government does not maintain a balance of limited government, maintaining the rights of its people and sustaining a free but fair market, the government will collapse because the work force will eventually dissipate, whether through genocide (oh I'm sorry, 'democide', because I care about words rather than sentiments), rioting or other protest methods.

So when I say it's not a bad thing, it's because it doesn't matter. The government will never last long enough for it to matter.

Law, and in succession, rights, is the fundamental distinction between anarchy/democracy and the Republic. (This is more of a personal speculation, but I'd say Law is what prevents majority rule and minority rule from existing, replaced by "legal" rule, you could say?) And if you want your republic to last, you need good laws. Those without good laws will die out, those with will prosper.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/8/2016 22:55:54


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this is how i think the american government should be, get ready for full on socialism :P
*fuck israel, leave it to its own fate
*use drones only in the event of a war
*grow foreign help spending but only if you can be sure that the foreign governments arent just going to take all the money
*let everybody work, no work visas
*take private land but only for things like windfarms or research and give money to those your taking the land from
*let the FBI spy on people, if your not doing anything wrong what does it matter to you
*make national teaching standards stricter(like in finland), education is the future of the world and from what ive seen the education in the US is pretty lousy
*dont make companies have employment quotas, just employ the most qualified
*stop companies from donating to campaigns, some companies will ind other ways but some will also be discouraged
*make companies serve anyone
*limit legal suing powers, everybodys suing everybody for ridiculous things and the only people who are winning from this are lawyers
*shrink the american space programme or change it completely so that its more efficient
*gay marriage legal
*rid the death penalty, too risky, if it turns out you were wrong about the person there is no going back
*implement a carbon tax (fucking tony abbot, removing the carbon tax in Australia)
*no photographic identification for voting
*always give welfare to those without a job but give less if they arent looking for work and more if they are
*legalise marijuana
*dont make bitcoin legal currency
*send troops to crush ISIS as quickly as possible and then gtfo of the middle east including israel
*have GMOs not have to be labelled
*fracking legal but heavily discouraged and only in areas without people
*prochoice, the fetus isnt a human yet
*take references to god out of american legal stuff, 17% of america isnt christian
*open borders
*no torture
*decrease military spending a shitload
*no gerrymandering
*government healthcare for all, but only if its something serious, if you go to the doctor for a cold you have to pay for that yourself


theres probably a lot more but i cant think of them right now
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/8/2016 23:30:02


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*let the FBI spy on people, if your not doing anything wrong what does it matter to you

Folk have a right to privacy, disband the FBI in general, we don't need it.

*make companies serve anyone

Why? If you don't like a certain group of folk , don't serve them. You're a bigot but you shouldn't be forced to serve them. And if you're that bad, folk will stop buying from you and force you to either go out of business or start serving the folk you weren't serving.

*legalise marijuana

Legalize all drugs, not just marijuana.

*have GMOs not have to be labelled

Folk have a right to know what they're eating at all times.

*send troops to crush ISIS as quickly as possible and then gtfo of the middle east including israel

That would make even more folk hate us and give the radicals fuel for their fire. Just leave.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/9/2016 01:22:52

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you all need a beer, I feel sorry for your poor blokes,
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/9/2016 01:40:51


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you continue to misunderstand or worse, you purposely distort my points. When a nation WILLINGLY, puts into its constitution that basic human rights are not a part of their nation's right, it is okay because that government will never last.


It's not ok, even assuming it won't be long-lived, that kind of thing should not have any existence. You can justify torture using the same phrase: it won't last.

Also, say where I have distorted your points at all.

By Natural Selection, the current governments of today have been created. Because past types have failed or fell into pieces, new and better and learn'd governments rose from the ashes.


Well, congratulation to the genius who figured that out. The grounds government is here today is since it wasn't thrown away earlier.

[/quote]If a government doesn't allow such basic human rights such as life and liberty or taxation with representation, they are not going to last long from external pressure and internal pressure. The thing that will turn a government's head the most is the mobs that arise from working masses.

If the government does not satisfy its people with decentralization, liberties, rights, etc., the government will not maintain popular support, and without popular support you might as well be non-existent already.[/quote]

Have you not seen, like, every modern government? Some worse than others. And the sad truth is, the more authoritarian governments are the more stable ones, with freedom comes a weak government. It was not Stalinist's paranoid unfree USSR that led to its collapse, even in one of the worst wars to befall Russia ever, but it was Gorbachöv's open free USSR. It wasn't DPPSO Aleksandr III who was killed, but the freer Aleksandr II. In Yugoslavia, in China, Mao-Tsedung had his great time.

It is similar to Gandhi's situation. The British soldiers can only slaughter so many Indians, they will only have so many bullets, and there are only so many Indians. There's a point where they either run out of ammunition or there are no more Indians. If they run out of Indians, there is no labor force. Without a labor force, there is no economy and without economy there is no government because the government has nothing to base itself upon.


Gandhi's a special case, that there is rioting even going on in the first site, and one of the things he constantly talked about in his speeches was how effective basically embarassing the British subjects, disheartening them, if you want to think of it as psychologic warfare, sure, go ahead.

If the government does not maintain a balance of limited government, maintaining the rights of its people and sustaining a free but fair market, the government will collapse because the work force will eventually dissipate, whether through genocide (oh I'm sorry, 'democide', because I care about words rather than sentiments), rioting or other protest methods.


That's few countries, even today. China, a very big government, with little freedom, and doesn't have free markets all over (and even the "free markets" are not fully free). India and America, India's a medium government, America's a big one, with middle speech freedom, mostly free markets. But I don't disagree, governments like these will eventually dissipate, just as everything does, but I guarantee you the confederation lasts less than the federation.

And you literally said something like "How can anyone like Democrats this election year?"! Democrats aren't that much better, but you're supporting folk who want to grow military spending even more, making a new war on immigration, going on with the war on drugs, for uncurbed government surveillence on its population, over the Democrats?

And if you want your republic to last, you need good laws. Those without good laws will die out, those with will prosper.


Law: if you insult the president, we put you in gaol for 2 years. Belarus has this actual law, and is poor on speech freedom, didn't see riots last I checked.

grow foreign help spending but only if you can be sure that the foreign governments arent just going to take all the money


Woah woah, why are you even giving it to foreign governments? Heck no, don't trust them with that money, just pay to Doctors without Borders, and other like organisations.

let the FBI spy on people, if your not doing anything wrong what does it matter to you


It's more what the FBI is doing wrong. This will only make it easier to kill or arrest those spreading bad words, it paves the way to a restricted speech freedom. Just imagine if Trump takes your suggestion here (he says he will), combine that with tougher "libel laws", and you've got little speech freedom. Don't trust the government. They corrupt like everything.

make national teaching standards stricter(like in finland), education is the future of the world and from what ive seen the education in the US is pretty lousy


America's actually quite ahead, it's basically the same argument when saying that America should legalise gay marriage since every other country has - no, still a pretty small minority of countries legalised gay marriage. According to the UN teaching index, America ranks #5.

limit legal suing powers, everybodys suing everybody for ridiculous things and the only people who are winning from this are lawyers


No, folk are paying their lawyers for this, and folk should be allowed to pay their lawyers. Folk should be allowed to sue anyone they want for any grounds, and any curbing of that is basically doing the very thing you hate - making big businesses super-powerful. If suing wasn't allowed in a capitalist world, capitalism would grow ugly.

rid the death penalty, too risky, if it turns out you were wrong about the person there is no going back


Or, or, just have stricter standards for proof, so it won't "turn out you were wrong". And still, there is no going back if say the fellow dies in gaol, no way to get those years back.

implement a carbon tax (fucking tony abbot, removing the carbon tax in Australia)


I'd be for something like this, but I've no idea how it would be measured/implemented.

dont make bitcoin legal currency


Why not?

have GMOs not have to be labelled


Hell, no. GMOs have to be labelled, for grounds I gave earlier. They're dangerous, eaters always have a right to know what is in their food.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/9/2016 05:29:40


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America's actually quite ahead, it's basically the same argument when saying that America should legalise gay marriage since every other country has - no, still a pretty small minority of countries legalised gay marriage. According to the UN teaching index, America ranks #5.


compared to other first world western countries it isnt that far ahead, and for the biggest economy on earth it should be first second or third, according to the OECD rankings it is 28th
http://www.educatoronline.com.au/news/oecd-reveals-global-education-ranking-200395.aspx
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/9/2016 14:07:00


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compared to other first world western countries it isnt that far ahead


Most countries in the OECD are not west, you're just narrowing this down to America+allies. Contrast America to the world, not just the EU. And America actually spends loads of money for each student, only Austria, Norway, Luxemburg, and Switzerland spend more each student. 80% American students are happy at school; 74% believe that their scholastic settings are ideal.

Americans marked average 491 on the most recent big multinational test, the PISA 2012. It was actually above OECD average, and was close to the OECD average for happiness in schools, while the higher-scoring countries generally were below average for happiness (see Hanguk's internationally leading suicide rates). Other countries:
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/9/2016 21:07:23


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and? if its 28th in the OECD its either the same spot or further behind internationally, USA is the richest country it should spend more on education and less on the military and then it could be first in OECD
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/9/2016 22:26:01


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and? if its 28th in the OECD its either the same spot or further behind internationally


My point is, it's already one of the most spending countries on teaching (the most, I believe), and it's got a good blend of teaching and happiness. Nothing to waste taxpayer money on to try and repair something not broken.
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/9/2016 22:54:29


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i didnt say spend more money i said make the standards stricter cause for a country spending so much on teaching its international education ranking is quite low.
change it dont throw more money at it

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Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/10/2016 01:48:45


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international education ranking is quite low.


It's not, I already showed you.

change it dont throw more money at it


If it was really that easy, don't you think it would've already been done?
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/10/2016 02:14:29


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international education ranking is quite low.


It's not, I already showed you.



cherry picking at its worst, this is what i said: for a country spending so much on teaching its international education ranking is quite low. which is quite different to international education ranking is quite low.


change it dont throw more money at it


If it was really that easy, don't you think it would've already been done?



plenty of other countries which spend less on education and have better education systems
Why is Bernie Sanders bad?: 4/10/2016 03:55:11


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cherry picking at its worst, this is what i said: for a country spending so much on teaching its international education ranking is quite low. which is quite different to international education ranking is quite low.


What you're doing would actually be relatively cherry-picking, as I have a bigger sample of countries and a more extensive study, where America marked the highest. It's already spending loads on teaching, but it obviously goes beyond mismanagement. Slovakia spends less than half as much as America each student yet marked better on average. It's in great deal cultural and a balance between innovation/creativity-killing and depression against poor teaching. See Hanguk, the highest under-18 national suicide rate, or Finland, which has more lax standards, but has a pretty poor happiness at school rate, and values teachers much higher at a more societal level.

plenty of other countries which spend less on education and have better education systems


You can't play copy-paste with government. There are more factors than just organisation and money spent, see above.
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