"United Kingdom: The UK enacted its handgun ban in 1996. From 1990 until the ban was enacted, the homicide rate fluctuated between 10.9 and 13 homicides per million. After the ban was enacted, homicides trended up until they reached a peak of 18.0 in 2003. Since 2003, which incidentally was about the time the British government flooded the country with 20,000 more cops, the homicide rate has fallen to 11.1 in 2010. In other words, the 15-year experiment in a handgun ban has achieved absolutely nothing.

Ireland: Ireland banned firearms in 1972. Ireland’s homicide rate was fairly static going all the way back to 1945. In that period, it fluctuated between 0.1 and 0.6 per 100,000 people. Immediately after the ban, the murder rate shot up to 1.6 per 100,000 people in 1975. It then dropped back down to 0.4. It has trended up, reaching 1.4 in 2007.

Australia: Australia enacted its gun ban in 1996. Murders have basically run flat, seeing only a small spike after the ban and then returning almost immediately to preban numbers. It is currently trending down, but is within the fluctuations exhibited in other nations."

Stopping gun related violence doesn't do anything when it doesn't change the murder rate.

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When someone spells control like that I automatically think German.

The worst argument against gun control:

Things that can kill people:

Aerosol cans
Spray Paint
A Knife
A Rock
Rope
Fists
A Bed
Shoes
Markers
Drugs
Guns - we need to control this one, it can kill people!

tl;dr it's a people and mental health problem and not a gun problem.

Why is it the worst? It refuses to acknowledge the utility associated with any of the items.

The utility in a gun is to fire a projectile at a rapid velocity, sometimes, the projectile is designed to induce maximum carnage when impacting flesh.

Great, lets permit a person with a mental health problem access to an item whose sole utility is to inflict carnage.

What do you have to say about the tens of thousands of accidental deaths inflicted via a gun and a person without a mental health problem?

Aerosol cans help you paint things, you can prepare food with a knife, rocks are items of nature and are thus wholly out of place, rope can help you transport things, fists (again, who came up with this list), you can sleep on a bed, shoes protect your feet, you can write things with markers, drugs can cure diseases.

TLDR: Benjamin628 fails to make a point.

@Major General Smedley Butler

Homicide rates on these countries were very small before already, and today they are actually bit smaller today then before. Not by much, but their homicide rates were already small before anyway. This ban is really mostly needed in countried that have gun problems, and the US has a gun problem.

- It's easier to commit mass shootings with the current gun situation.
- It's easier to suicide yourself with a gun, try doing the same with a knife or a rock.
- Criminals have access to guns very easily.

"Don't ban or restrict drugs, people will just get them anyway."

"We should restrict or ban guns, that will stop people from getting them"

The logic paradox is real.

It's easier to produce drugs then to manufacture guns, and bullets. Both are hardly comparable. I can grow weed on my garden, good luck doing the same with bullets.

Ans yea, probably super trained assassins will be able to still buy guns from idk, mexico. But having the hole population with a gun don't make those murderers less likely to kill people, but now the hole population is able to become one.

- It's easier to commit mass shootings with the current gun situation.
Mass shootings are like terrorist attacks, very bad things but cutting freedoms for them is stupid.

- It's easier to suicide yourself with a gun, try doing the same with a knife or a rock.
You can slit your throat, pretty easy. And taking a lot of pills and drugs at the same time is also easy too.

- Criminals have access to guns very easily.
Yes and they will continue to have easy access to guns afterwards. There are millions of guns in America and many are on the black market, and it's quite easy to supplement the supply of favorable business made guns with homemade guns.

Mexico has quite strict gun laws and it does not help crime.

You don't become a drug dealer to shoot guns, you become a drug dealer to sell drugs, same with robbers and extortioners.

Mass shootings are like terrorist attacks, very bad things but cutting freedoms for them is stupid.

The thing is that both are avoidable, and that's the point. Mass shootings are harder to happen if every kid don't have a gun at home, and terrorism isn't as likely to happen if every muslim kid is given the same opportunities in the country.

You can slit your throat, pretty easy. And taking a lot of pills and drugs at the same time is also easy too.

Hardly. People who commit suicide are often affraid of doing so. Guns are the easier way to kill yourself while suffering the least.

Yes and they will continue to have easy access to guns afterwards. There are millions of guns in America and many are on the black market, and it's quite easy to supplement the supply of favorable business made guns with homemade guns.

Not really, if you reduce the supply, prices raise. Great economics law; only rich criminals would be able to afford guns then.

About Mexican gun laws, it's impossible for them to have the effect they wanted to, the US/Mex border isn't really controlled on the other side, you can find your guns in the US for a cheap price. Actually your guns are sold all over the world due to contraband. #ThxMurica

TeamGunscontrol

Not really, if you reduce the supply, prices raise. Great economics law; only rich criminals would be able to afford guns then.

You're reducing the supply by a bit, when there's millions of guns and you can make lots of guns with some basic tools. And only rich criminals? No many criminals, especially since gangs have vast supplies of money to equip their dealers and soldiers. Formerly law abiding gun owners will also join the ranks of the criminals aswell, and they can sell many of the guns they haven't reported. Your idea is based on guns being a scarcity in America and that the Blue Shirts confiscating them will make them even more of a scarcity, but that is a falsehood.

Hardly. People who commit suicide are often affraid of doing so. Guns are the easier way to kill yourself while suffering the least.

Not hardly at all, if I remember the most common way for people to kill themselves is via overdose.

The thing is that both are avoidable, and that's the point. Mass shootings are harder to happen if every kid don't have a gun at home, and terrorism isn't as likely to happen if every muslim kid is given the same opportunities in the country.

Both are avoidable, but at a massive cost to liberty for millions of people in the US. The Patriot act , F.E, was a awful thing made by the government that massively restricted freedom for humans in America and the war on terror enabled by many of the freedom cutting-government expanding things has generally failed and only brought tens of thousands of deaths and no good results.