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Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/14/2011 17:11:37


Ruthless 
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Reposting BP's intro:

Here's the deal, I love the ladder but do think it is in need of an injection of talent. This thread is really a call out to the uber-talented non-members to fork over the $30 and join. If any talented player is debating on getting a membership already, here's a little bit of incentive:

I have committed to buying someone a membership out of sheer good will, but only one. Here's the rub, I'm not just giving it away. Any player who wants to can challenge me to a best of seven series of strategic 1 vs 1 matches. Should this person win 4 before I do, then I will pay for their membership immediately. Should I beat them, however, they will have to immediately buy one for themselves. This will be an open and extending challenge until someone is successful. In addition, I will play one person and one game at a time. If there is multiple challengers then I will begin with who I deem to be the most worthy. There is obviously an honor code here which is why sketchy characters or players with unrealistic chances will not be taken seriously.

Good luck to anyone who wants the challenge.
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/14/2011 18:03:59


Gnomia
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Ekhm: but what about players who already had played in similar gamble? May I try again or I just cant?
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/14/2011 18:24:56


Ruthless 
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I'm going to have to say No just because you're technically a member because you made the promise to join after losing to BP.
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/14/2011 22:02:29

Xyphistor 
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I would be up for it.
Don't know how good I'm likely to be though... :p

Haven't played any multiplayer games yet, I just enjoy trying different strategies vs the AI...
I would however like to learn how multiplayer games are generally setup/organised, what choices people favour regarding maps/fog/cards etc...

This sounds like a fun way to see how it's done ;)
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/14/2011 22:22:04

zaeban 
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I will. Multy day games ofcourse.
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/14/2011 23:33:57


Ruthless 
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Xyphistor -- I'll actually have to deny you for this challenge. Just because it wouldn't be fair if you haven't played one 1v1 game yet. I would suggest to start joining the auto-created games in the Open games to get some practice (those settings are the ladder settings). Once you get a feel for the game and have played with lots of people you should come back and try.

Zaeban -- Looks like you'll be the first to do this series. You must understand that if you do lose, you will have to purchase a membership after the series is over. If you win, I'll have to get your email address from you so I can gift you a membership. I'll set up the games, they will be in the same exact settings as the current ladder games. They will be Multi-Day, but I'm on this site frequently and will be able to play live sometimes. Please note that there will be a 3 day auto-boot and those will be counted against you.

I'll set up the first game and we'll start from there! Good luck!
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/15/2011 01:26:38


Ruthless 
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Game 1 Results:

Ruthless 1 Zaeban 0

[http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1279543](http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1279543)

This first game was a good battle. We both got our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd pick. I was a little cautious on my expanding thinking he was in one of the russia's which slowed down my expansion. We met at Hawaii and Japan and duked it out there. I would say I got a big swing my way on turn 17 when I attacked the blockade with 1 Order delay card and he had 2. I barely hung on in Iran which pretty much sealed the deal.

I'm starting the next game but we're probably going to play it a little later.

Stay Tuned!
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/15/2011 07:54:05

Xyphistor 
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I expected that to be the case, no worries ;)
Will take you on later!

Good luck zaeban!
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/15/2011 16:52:00


Ruthless 
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Game 2 Result: Ruthless

Ruthless 2 Zaeban 0

[http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1279631](http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1279631)

This second game was quicker. I got to know two of his picks and so I got to choose on which one to strike first. I didn't expect him in E africa and come down, but after taking one of his bonuses he threw up the white flag.

The next game will be up shortly.
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/15/2011 18:22:30

Xyphistor 
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You were right to reject me ¬_¬
I've started playing a few 1 vs 1 games, and they're not going well...
Partly because I don't know the Medium Earth map very well, so I don't know which bonuses are the important ones...
Also because I'm playing like a moron :D

Will keep practicing until I'm a worthy challenger ;)
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/15/2011 19:24:08

Pinkbladder
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you can practice with me if you want send me a game ill help you out
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/18/2011 18:43:58


Ruthless 
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Game 3 Result: Ruthless

Ruthless 3 Zaeban 0

[http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1280308](http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1280308)

Our 3rd game was a lot closer as we were next to each other and fighting 3 fronts. Luckily I had California counter pick and it worked out for 2 of his bonuses. I had an isolated 4 bonus which really helped me out. This one was a lot closer than game 2.

Game 4 should be starting soon. Let's see if I can finish this series off!
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/18/2011 22:48:58


[B]lol[/B]
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I'm up for the challenge. IF you want some game links for reference or anything, let me know!
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/18/2011 22:49:51


[B]lol[/B]
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Forgot to mention: I swear on my own head that I will buy an account if I lose
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/19/2011 13:23:43


Ruthless 
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<3/lol -- You got it. If I happen to beat Zaeban you are next in line (for me).
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/19/2011 15:31:15

Blue Precision 
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Looking good Ruthless!
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/20/2011 10:59:33

ŋəŋøbytē
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Maybe I'll get Blue Precision to play for me ;D
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 4/22/2011 11:10:23

Maturzysta
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can i play? ;)
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/3/2011 19:59:52


Ruthless 
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Game 4 Result: Ruthless

Ruthless 4 Zaeban 0

[http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1284417](http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1284417)

We waited a week or so to give Zaeban a break. We started this game with all 3 spots near each other. It was a close one where choosing which front was the decider. I spoke with Zaeban and he said that he would be purchasing a Membership by next week.

Now as most of you know....Gnomia and Denzyman_UA have *not* purchased one yet and so I will be holding off on doing this challenge until I see them join. I suggest that other hosts do the same as it is unfair to everyone else and also disrespectful not to honor the bet. I hope Zaeban takes note and gets his membership in a decent time span as he played well and we'd all like to see him on the ladder.

Thanks everyone for following along! Until next time...
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/3/2011 20:32:22

Darklight
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There is a tournament going on with several non-members. Why not do it that a non-member that makes it to semi-finals gets the membership, and that if there are multiple they plater each other for it?

Each non-member would face several members in tournament, so if it's a "injection" of talent your looking for, that would be a good place to look.
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/11/2011 03:52:59

Guy Mannington 
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Did gnomia end up paying?
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/11/2011 05:49:01


Ruthless 
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Gnomia has not paid
Denzy has not paid
Zaeban said he would get a membership sometime this week so we'll see.

It really ruins the experience for everyone since they haven't paid because BP paid for the membership the second the challenge was over (for Heyheuhei). I feel like there isn't enough to force the players to pay other than losing respect and credibility and people can cope with that. Maybe when they make the wager, their account is locked until they pay a membership. With that option I fear all that will do is just lose us members.

Just stinks that people can ruin the experience for others. That's all :(
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/11/2011 06:03:01

The Impaller 
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It's certainly a shame that people are unwilling to hold up their end of the bargain, and it has definitely ruined the experience for everyone. There were a lot of people willing to do this and a lot of potential challengers. It could have been something awesome...
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/11/2011 12:04:35


denzyman 
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That's interesting how everyone grew interested to our deal. The only 2 reasons I didn't pay yet are: 1) I can't freely assign 30 $ (well, actually I can but that will create me some discomfort at least for few days and I'm trying to avoid it); 2) I wasn't bound with time limits.
I didn't finish playing WarLight, just don't have enough time for it now.
Probably you shall ask "When will you, fuckin' bastard, pay?". Well, sorry, but I can't give you definite date. I was planning to make an operation yesterday, but, again, decided that it will create me unnecessary discomfort and postponed that at least for a week. Maybe I will change my mind and do it tomorrow, maybe I will do it not in a week but in 2 weeks, who knows. I can only tell you about the peremptory day (just to avoid answers like "oh, that dumb will not pay anyway because it will always be discomfort for him"), but it actually means nothing because I will pay earlier. You may consider the day of my anniversary as that day.

Sorry for making you angry.
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/12/2011 04:49:59

Blue Precision 
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I guess I should weigh in here since I made the initial challenge.

@Denzy: Your technically right. I did not set a time limit on the membership nor did I make you sign a contract. I purely made the challenge based on integrity. The implicit arrangement was that the loser would pay right away, this is why I stated that I would only play people that I trusted personally or that had a good reputation within the Warlight community. When you lost you said it would take a week, maybe two, so I took you at your word at that point.

Secondly, I am not angry, just annoyed. I still think your a good guy and will eventually pay but are guilty of taking on a challenge where you thought you had a good chance at winning at, then once losing are definitely prepared to stretch the limits on what constitutes "a reasonable amount of time." If you'd like to take a second to think of the two-dozen or so other people who have expressed an interested in doing the same challenge you and Gnomia did. Well they now have to wait because nobody wants to play them now that two players that lost fair and square have gone into hiding.

Lastly, I do appreciate your finally commenting on the issue. But do not downplay why many of us are baffled in how you have handled this. I personally created a 3 person FFA between you, Gnomia and I just to ask how much longer you guys were planning on going without paying. In a week I got no response from either of you. So yes, it look as though you were ducking me or acting that a person who felt guilty for not honoring a bet.

I tried to write this post as respectfully as I could. I'm not going to get into a war of words. My goal was to get the top of the ladder competitive, nothing more. Here's hoping you become members soon but these will be my last words on the matter.
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/12/2011 08:58:23


GOATFINGER 
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Why not insist the membership is bought first and then refund them if they manage to beat you?
I might have a crack when Ive sussed out the game more!
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/12/2011 12:17:07


Polaris 
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That seems like more of a solid system. You must upgrade yourself before the first match of the set is created. After completion of the series, if you're the winner you're 'refunded' via paypal by whoever was hosting the challenge.
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/12/2011 14:15:43

zaeban 
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I tried to purchase my membership unsucessfully. I am getting this message from paypal.
"The credit card number you have entered cannot be verified. Only credit cards from approved countries may be used on PayPal."
It seems that I can not use my card to purchase for membership via PayPal. I will ask around if there is some way to pay via PayPal from my country and come back to get the membership.
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/12/2011 18:08:04

Dr. TypeSomething 
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So why is the challenger less trustworthy than the one who sets up the one v one? I suppose that one is already a member and has shown the ability to pay 30 bucks, but if yall switched to a system where the challenger pre-empitively pays you can easily end up in the same predicament if the setter-upper doesn't fulfill his/her end of the bargain. The challenger would never get their money back.

I'm not accusing anybody of being untrustworthy, just saying that the problem doesn't go away by changing who has to be honest.
Who wants to Gamble for a Membership: Part Deux: 5/12/2011 19:48:12

Dragons 
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Seriously?

What in god's name does Blue Precision (and those who have agreed to take up the challenge) have to gain from making and reneging on the offer?

For that matter, what does Blue Precision gain from the offer in the first place? His stated reason (to bring more top talent into the ladder) is pretty meaningless compensation for risking $30.
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