The Arabs went from a primarily nomadic people to a empire because of a reason, not just because.

Also , no thread can get this many replies so quickly without being a Israel-Palestine related thing.

"In the Middle East it caused huge growth economically and scientifically. (About Islam)."
Um, the Middle East, especially Persia and Byzantium, was incredibly advanced scientifically. The Muslim Arabs were worthless. Without Greek, Roman, Persian and Indian texts already existing, they would have done nothing. They simply benefited from their predecessors. Name one significant, world-changing acheivement of Muslims in scientific fields. Arabic numerals? Actually Indian.

"No, Muslims have not killed about 40 million people through diesease and conflict."
To be fair, a lot of the disease stuff was accidental

About Lithuania Major you were referring to the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth? If yes, this was well after the Middle Age, but if you want an example of a tolerant society during the middle age in Europe (if we can consider it in Europe), you could talk about the Khanate of the Khazars in nowadays south Russia and Ukraine, but again they were not really part of the Western Civilization.

"Islam isn't the reason they formed an empire." It sorta is. It gave the previously disunited Arab tribes a common political doctrine to follow, and a reason to wage constant war happily.

Koala, you refute all my points with examples ghettoes.
"Funny you talk about this, ever heard of the Ghetto of Warsaw?"
"In ghettos indeed you had a kind of resistance,"
"I was referring to the Warsaw ghetto"
You said concentration camps, not ghettoes. They aren't the same.

"the main use of these tunnels is just to escape the living hell that is Gaza "
WRONG, Hamas uses them to launch terror attacks. They don't just let civilians hop on in. Try again.

"Also , no thread can get this many replies so quickly without being a Israel-Palestine related thing."
Finally something we can agree on

Name one significant, world-changing acheivement of Muslims in scientific fields. Arabic numerals? Actually Indian.

Well despite having greatly accelerated, developed or initiated many modern scientific fields such as Medicine, Philosophy, Geography, Astronomy or Mathematics, one of their greatest achievement is Algebra: we can say that Persian and Arabic mathematicians developed modern algebraic methods thanks to a much higher degree of sophistication.

It is no secret many scientific or technical words are from Arabic: Algebra, Algorithm, Alchemy, Chemistry, Alkaline, azimuth, adobe (or hundred of Astronomic terms such as: Altair, Betelgeuse, Deneb, Fomalhaut, Rigel, Vega, etc.)


Again your one sided view of the Muslim World is ridiculous GeneralPE.

It's obvious both sides share some guilt but In the end, the Israeli state is justified in my opinion. Gaza is just a trouble spot. The west bank should get independence

Citation not needed, there were about 40 million natives in the Americas before Columbo went there. And are you going to tell me that some tribesmen just decided to leave their homes and lands to go fight some far off people just because?

Pulmonary Transit being recorded, and the accurate length of the solar year.

The bible doesn't justify killing unlike the quaran.


For touching Mount Sinai
Whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Exodus 19:13
For taking "accursed things"
Achan ... took of the accursed thing. ... And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones. ... So the LORD turned from the fierceness of his anger. Joshua 7:1-26
For cursing or blaspheming
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16
For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24
For animals (like an ox that gores a human)
If an ox gore a man or a woman, that they die: then the ox shall be surely stoned. Exodus 21:28
For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21
For worshipping other gods
If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10
For disobeying parents
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21
For witches and wizards
A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 20:27
For giving your children to Molech
Whosoever ... giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones. Leviticus 20:2
For breaking the Sabbath
They found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones.... And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses. Numbers 15:32-56
For cursing the king
Thou didst blaspheme God and the king. And then carry him out, and stone him, that he may die. 1 Kings 21:10

the Israeli state is justified in my opinion*

you meant Palestinian state right?

If you mean Israel occupying What is now considered....Israel then yes lol

Also about the bible and killing: Why does god prefer people to be stoned if she could just dictate a easier and quicker method?

I defer the innovation point. Still, they recieve some credit for things they didn't do.

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"their religion has nothing to do with their deaths "
674 is right. They weren't killed for being non-Christian, they were killed for being in the way of European expansion. Christians do bad things, but not in the name of Chrisitanity. All conflict with Muslims, however, is related to religion.

Edited 1/14/2016 22:59:25

Christians do bad things, but not in the name of Chrisitanity.

Lol that's funny

Name one Ox. Don't say Crusades.
Edit: Pagan crusades maybe

Edited 1/14/2016 23:03:23

I'm not going to go through everything but I found this,

If not I advise you to watch the Pianist

Indeed, very good movie.