You're assuming. How do you know it would declare war on Israel the day after? They want independence. When they get it, they'll be satisfied.

Palestinians are firing rockets strategically, but Israelis abuse regular Palestinian citizens. For me, the latter is worse.

Palestine would be able to function without Israel. ESPECIALLY with its land back.

It's really sad to see the Israeli Jews, of all people, putting people in ghettos. It's so sad when the abused becomes the abuser.

What you say about history - WHO CARES?

I don't give a DAMN if Israel used to own the land. Look what Austria used to own!



Are you saying Austria should be given all this land back? NO! History doesn't MATTER for current borders.

Ok, they only have curfews and the lot because without them their civilians would be massacred. It isn't Israel's fault they have to take action to prevent people from randomly stabbing someone just because they have a little hat. Your site shows Israeli land expansion, but most of that is due to Arab-provoked wars which Israel won. Also, if we count voluntary civilain movement into lands as colonization, why isn't the Muslim migration to Europe counted as colonization? Furthermore, the Palestinians are only there because their forefathers conquered it in the name of Islam. While I don't think we should blame them for that, we could at least realise the Jews were there first. After everything Jews have gone through, historically and especially the Holocaust, they deserve something. Giving them their country back seems like a small price to pay for 6 million dead. They lost about 1/3 of their people. If 400 millions Muslims died, I'd give them Palestine.

Ox, that map is extremely inaccurate

you do realise that all electricity, Water, food, clothing, Education, is provided by Israel?

Gosh, such a lie.

Tell me then why Israel is blockading Palestinian lands, and illegally stopping any humanitarian aid?

Anything isn't white or black, Israel and Palestine are both equally responsible of the current situation, the fact that you blindly defend Israel without even seeing the wrongdoings against the Palestinians show how much biased you are in your own opinions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

If 400 millions Muslims died, I'd give them Palestine.

You can't do shit about who gets what.

"Islam is naive, wrong, and dangerous to Western civilization." Whoah. I said "Blaming Israel for ISIS and Islamic extremism and intolerance, when it existed in 622 when Mohammed founded Islam is naive, wrong, and dangerous to Western civilization. " I suppose there should be a comma after Islam, but I was saying "Blaming Israel" is naive, wrong and dangerous. YOu took that entirely out of context. Please apologize or at least edit your post.

"Palestinians are firing rockets strategically, but Israelis abuse regular Palestinian citizens. For me, the latter is worse."
1). So it's okay if they kill innocents strageically?
2). THEY DON'T FUCKING OPRESS THEM!! THEY TAKE PRECAUTIONS TO AVOId TERROR ATTACKS INITIATED BY PALESTINIANS! THERE ARE ARABS IN PARLIAMENT!!!

"CONGRATS ON BEING MORE LIBERAL THAN SAUDI ARABIA AND IRAN."
*more liberal then every majority Muslim nation on Earth.

"Tell me then why Israel is blockading Palestinian lands, and illegally stopping any humanitarian aid?"
Because much of that aid is going to terrorists and terrorist supporters shooting fucking rockets at civilians. You do realize they used money for nation-building to construct tunnels for extremists, right?

Me: "If 400 millions Muslims died, I'd give them Palestine."


Ox: "You can't do shit about who gets what."
Ok, but if I could I would, and if I couldn't I would support doing so. Nitpicking my ideas for technicalities is your only hope when you can't argue with the thought behind them.

+1000 Empire of Kilos is angry at Liberals & PC . Show how they lie.
"Ox Austria isn't relevant to the discussion at all. Austria was an empire. Israel is a nation of people who are native to that land." Spot on. And if you say the Jews took it from the people in 2000 BC, stfu. Every modern nation would be illegitimate.

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"CONGRATS ON BEING MORE LIBERAL THAN SAUDI ARABIA AND IRAN."
*more liberal then every majority Muslim nation on Earth.

GeneralPE, stop your liberal propaganda, being liberal does not mean necessarily being free, liberalism is just a political and economic worldview, so stop mixing things.

Ok, how about more free, progressive, and equal?

It's okay 674, free and equal works too. If he wants to nitpick like Ox, have at it. They are just proving they have no good arguements.

"What you say about history - WHO CARES?

I don't give a DAMN if Israel used to own the land. Look what Austria used to own!"
Ok. In that case, why do you show these false maps from 1948? If history doesn't matter, why do they?

I never denied Israel being a democratic nation, still abuses exist, this is what I was talking about everything is not white nor black, both sides committed wrong and condemnable acts. Israel militarily speaking is not an example, see also the War in Lebanon. The destruction of Beyrouth once nicknamed the "Paris of Orient", a very wealthy city, a top economic and cultural place, once outmatching Tel Aviv as the financial center of the Middle east, were people of different religions and origin coexisted peacefully.

And Trollberg, despite your hate against the Muslims, if the Muslims are so evil, why did the Christian Palestinians and Christians of Lebanon (constituting half of the country's population) fight against the Israeli Army? Don't you see something wrong here?

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Koala, when Beirut was the Paris of the Orient Lebanon was majority Chritian. It was the Muslim shift which turned it into a war-plagued 3rd-world hellhole. Once more proving Muslims en masse do not benefit society. We gave Jews the small state of Israel, Christians the even smaller Lebanon, put in place laws so Muslims could still live there, and then gave Muslims the rest of the Middle East. They then proceded to fuck shit up.

EDIT: abuses do exist, but only because of Palestinian actions.

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"I never denied Israel being a democratic nation"
It is more than democracy, it is the equal treatment under the law that Sharia and the dhimma system (both integral parts of Islam) lack.

Also, Clement, what were you thinking choosing Palestine? You have to have known the controversy it would engender.

Palestine has a lot more than 20 UN members recognising it, so it's eligible and I didn't choose it. I used this random number generator: http://www.wolframalpha.com/widgets/view.jsp?id=298f587406c914fad5373bb689300433 and it gave me the number I assigned to Palestine.