Bush was a very nice guy and loved America. Foreigners don't know a fucking thing about American politics ( usually ) so I suggest before you join the other groups of young, screaming, hippie communists from other nations you actually go and do your research ok? Good. Bush wasn't good but he cared about America deeply and did what he thought was best

Just
Blame
Bush

Eklipse, your joking right...?

Eklipse, your joking right...?

Not entirely. Although that was more a diss at Obama supporters who seem to have "Blame Bush" as their default scapegoat for every single problem.

I'm not a fan of either President, but the hate for Bush tends to get severely overblown. Plus, it's been almost a decade since Bush's presidency so it's time to stop with the "Everything is STILL Bush's fault!" attitude.

Bush definitely wasn't our proudest moment but I agree. Can we please stop with the " I hate Bush " propaganda? It's getting old we seriously need to upgrade towards Obama XD

Obama
Don't
Care

*drops the mic*

Great job getting bamboozled by the most obvious ploy in recent political history!

WCT serious question time: do you think Al Gore would not have invaded Iraq?? Seeing how Clinton, the centrist Democrats, and most of the American public supported the initial invasion I severely doubt the Al Gore presidency would have been better than Bush.

The Dark Ages weren't that bad. Plus, they were more than a thousand years ago. Stop going on about how bad they were.

WCT serious question time: do you think Al Gore would not have invaded Iraq??

Hahahahaha! What a fucking naive question. Sorry, if you can't see the answer plainly, I won't dignify the question with a serious response. Instead, I'll say this: Learn more about how the Iraq War started, and how much mind-twisting effort went into *justifying* it. Then ask Colin Powell what he thinks. Then come back here and answer your own question on this forum.

The Dark Ages weren't that bad. Plus, they were more than a thousand years ago. Stop going on about how bad they were.

They weren't so bad, assuming you were one of the lucky ones that made it past two years of age.

They weren't bad if you lived in Arabia

I guess I should participate in the topic the thread is about.

Peace

Prize

BULLSHIT

@WCT - Way to not answer the question ;)

You're getting really good at evasion. Its a serious question. Again 82 democrats voted for the Iraq Resolution. There was serious public pressure (from the mass media, military industrial complex, and israeli intelligence service) to declare war. Gore (in my opinion) would have caved, even though he publicly opposed it (he had the luxury of not being in office so he didn't have to deal with constituents who may have thought otherwise). He's closely aligned with Clintonian foreign policy that supports wide-sweeping military intervention to impose regime change. If you can't give a serious answer without cursing you've got bigger problems dude.

Learn more about how the Iraq War started

Maybe you need to learn about war in general and the history of human civilizations. There is ALWAYS war and the 21st century has been marked by a state of permanent warfare pushed by the US government. You need to get realistic about American foreign policy. Presidents don't back away from war.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/why-al-gore-would-have-invaded-iraq-and-what-it-tells-us-about-syria/article14105322/

^^This give a pretty good explanation for why Gore might have declared war on Iraq if he was in Bush's place. It isn't a 100% guarantee he would of course, but there is a sizable amount of evidence to suggest he might have.

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You're getting really good at evasion. Its a serious question. Again 82 democrats voted for the Iraq Resolution. There was serious public pressure (from the mass media, military industrial complex, and israeli intelligence service) to declare war.

Why was there 'serious pressure' from mass media and military industrial complex? I'm not saying there wasn't; there was. I'm asking you *why* there was pressure.

Another good question to ask yourself: Why didn't Canada or most of the US's usual war allies also go to the Iraq War? Canadians, for example, went to Afghanistan. Why not Iraq? Most of the rest of the world was against it, though they supported the Afghanistan initiative. Why were Americans so gung ho about Iraq, yet the most of rest of the world wasn't?

Dude why are you answering my question with a question. We can discuss the other questions you pose later. First answer if you seriously think Gore would not have gone to war? If you think that question is directly linked to why America went to war with Iraq then actually spell out your answer...I'm not a mind reader. I completely agree that countries that did not join the coalition to invade Iraq made a better decision because the reasons for the Iraq war were blatant lies to 1) secure oil supplies 2) engage in regime change and 3) project American democratic values onto a people who hadn't asked for it.

Canada under PM Chretien explicitly said he would not support the Iraq war if there was no UN approval for the war. Of course the UN would not sanction a preemptive war and so Canada naturally refused to follow the Coalition of the Willing.

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Dude, I love it when Jai literally carpet bombs his opponents with facts and passion

Hell.

Horrible.

Dreadful.

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Jai, your original question doesn't even make sense if you know how the Iraq War started. The involvement of the Bush administration in *devising* justifications to go to the Iraq War is so deeply embedded in the war's origins that your question amounts to this: "If Bush wasn't president (and thus was not involved in *generating* political and public pressure to start the Iraq War in the first place, as well as silencing dissenting voices against it), and some other random Joe, say Al Gore, had been president (and thus was *not* involved in such war mongering in the first place) would he have 'caved' to the 'public pressure' he didn't ever create in the first place?"

It's a naive question. Why was the Iraq War ever started in the first place? WMDs? But there weren't any. So why, then? If you can't answer that, you don't know enough about it.

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Look, oil definitely had a part but Bush did it with bad intelligence so it wasn't his fault. If anything, we should be yelling at the CIA director who presented this bad info to POTUS. plus, I will always support the Fact that even though Saddam didn't have a bomb at the time, he sure as hell was gonna try to get one

"Look, oil definitely had a part but Bush did it with bad intelligence so it wasn't his fault."

You're buying the scapegoat apologetics, eh? Why did he trust bad intelligence? He's the big man in the big chair, making the big decisions. He's the one with the Responsibility Hat on. Why did he trust bad intelligence?

Why *didn't* other countries trust the same bad intelligence?

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