The bombing was justified. My points were all expressed by others, rather succinctly too.
On a different note, does this same logic apply to ISIS (maybe not nukes, but intense bombing)?
I think it does, but I'm interested to hear your all's opinions.

Intense bombing wouldn't serve any purpose against ISIS. They won't come to the negotiating table.

The thing is that even saturation bombing like the stuff used on Dresden between February 13 and 15 of 1945 doesn't nearly produce the same casualties as atomic/hydrogen bombing. Its pointless to compare intense bombing vs. atomic bombing. RAF dropped 3900 tons of explosive material on Dresden in 72 hours...only killed a maximum of 25,000 people.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed 129,000 people. Simple math means that the RAF would have needed around 20,000 tons to produce the same number of casualties.

Those Japanese bastards deserved it. They killed my entire family. They should all rot in hell. We should assassinate the emperor. We need to build a wall

I agree that the United States should have dropped an atomic bomb on Japan. The biggest reason in my mind is not even listed, and it's the cruelty that Japan displayed throughout the war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

The biggest reason for bombing someone is in retaliation due to their actions? I really disagree with this.
This sort of revenge mentality is never a good thing. 'An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind' and all that...

Hypothetically: if this was the sole reason for dropping the bombs I would say that the US would be very wrong in doing so.

But I don't think this was the main reason. As has been covered by the others, I do think it was necessary to swiftly end the war and save more lives in the long-run.

"Intense bombing wouldn't serve any purpose against ISIS. They won't come to the negotiating table."
The purpose isn't to bring them to the table, the purpose is to kill them.

@madmen
I wouldn't call it revenge, since they didn't do it to us, but to Chinese and others. It was mostly just to prevent war crimes from continuing. And the other reasons you acknowledged.
Although I do also disagree with your premise of 'an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.' Actually, it makes one person blind, and everyone else scared to pull nasty shit like that again.

@general, I respect your right to a point of view, but I disagree with the first point. many would believe forgive and forget is better than vengeance

That seems reasonable

Tbh, the US had every reason to drop the nukes, given the atrocities committed by Japan towards PoWs and even the civilians of China, the Philippines, and other countries invaded. To those who criticize the US on it, and demand war crimes be set on the US for it: Russia should have crimes against Humanity placed on it for the mass deaths to the USSR's people under Stalin, China should have crimes against humanity placed on it for the mass genocides committed in the name of Mao, Cambodia should have the same crime placed on it as China, and Turkey should have crime against humanity placed on it for the Armenian genocide.

Last but not least, Japan should have it's own war crimes, unit 731. What is this "Unit 731" you may ask? A Japanese biological and chemical warfare science team of 6 divisions, in over 7 facilities, who conducted experiments on human subjects. Not a corpse, a real, living, still breathing human. It is one thing to shoot someone, stab them, or hang them. But to cut them open to "observe their autonomy" while they still breath and feel the pain, is a crime against the very nature of humanity. To simply cut a major artery to watch a man bleed and "take notes" is worth of accusations. This unit war responsible for up to 250,000 civilian deaths, not even military. These included Men, Women, and Children. Women were raped and put through forced pregnancy, forced sex to transit STD's, human weapons testing, even testing of frostbite. Everything that we see as immoral, demonic, and simply disgusting. With these members being taken by the US and USSR for their own uses.

But do we hear the world calling for justice against Japan for this? No. Because America is this big bad influence on the world, where everyone is a fat bastard who loves drone bombing hospitals and schools.

Not to derail the thread, but let's rephrase the question a little bit:

1) Did the US need to drop 2 bombs on 2 populated cities several days apart?
2) Did the US need to drop the 2nd bomb?
3) Would dropping the bomb a few miles out to sea have accomplished the same objective?

I guess these are all just variants of the same original question.
The US had a new and awesome weapon.
They needed to demonstrate how powerful it was.
There was limited quantity of the weapons.

So, what if in an alternate scenario, they dropped one 5 miles away from Tokyo, minimal casualties, but even though they see the power of the weapon, they wouldn't be affected directly by casualties, so they may just shrug it off... now the US has only 1 more weapon left. Now what?

I think dropping 2 bombs on 2 populated cities in a short period made the point. Yes. We're crazy. We will continue to be crazy unless you surrender. Reminds me of a bad joke... what do you tell a significant other with 2 black eyes? Nothing, you already told them twice.

TLDR: We only have a few bombs, we needed to do the most with them to end it quickly. There were likely calculations of number of people killed to percent chance of success, and this is the higest outcome of success.

my point has also been clearly expressed by everyone here. the bombs had to happen. notice how both liberals and conservatives alike agree on this XD I think its because most of us are experts in our certain fields of history and we all know that the greatest lesion history teaches us is never be afraid to take the unbeaten path

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Liberals and Conservatives are like Democrats and Republicans, both are in the same 10 people's pockets. Remember that.

Bottom line, US had all rights to drop those bombs, and it made Japan into our bitch for a few decades, and now into our friend. Our tentacle porn, robot fighting, overly populated...friend.

I personally believe Nagasaki was completely unnecessary, as Japan had proposed a surrender condition in which they keep their emperor, and we ended up doing that anyway. I also would argue that Hiroshima was not very necessary, as the emperor before it was regaining control of the gov't from the war hawks who didn't want to surrender, if the US had waited a few more days, we may have gotten the same surrender condition offered by Japan following the Hiroshima bomb.

Obviously I'm slightly biased, I lost my grandfather due to radiation from the bombs at nagasaki, as he went there as an aid personnel, he avoided being enlisted due to the fact that he had the skills of being an accountant, and as such oversaw supplies.

Also, @AE, you do realize the experiments are literally the basis of most of our knowledge of the brain and other internal organs right?, not trying to justify the acts btw, I acknowledge they were bad, but I don't think the picture is nearly as black and white as you painted it.

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True Japan, many people don't know about this facts :). But America didt know at the time. Plus, the emperor never would have gotten control of the government. The Warhawks under Tojo's men would have used fighting against the emperor taking complete power because they knew he would surrender to the allies. From Truman's point of view at the Time, Japan was Silent and was just Waiting for the storm of American troops. he only dropped the second bomb because the Japanese didn't seem to coming completely to the table and he didn't want anymore Americans to die. The funny thing is that people say America was so awful for dropping those bombs but the truth is, we were by far the kindest super power of that war. Germany, Russia, England or France never would have wasted all that money and man power to help Japan get back on her feet, but America did when the entire world would have seen it just if we had just let them die.

Or in the opinion of a very wise philosopher " The bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima are only justified compared to the alternative measures that would have been needed to end the war "

Actually the allies did help Germany get back on her feet after the war for the same reason they did it to Japan. It was to contain communism. West Germany was heavily invested on by the allies and East Germany suffered with the Soviet Union because they took all their industrialization machines.

Also let's no forget the creation of Israel and the aid it has been receiving, even now.