Jai, don't complain about stuff you can easily edit with a couple of number-key pressing.

"Probably the billionth Europe map around" was I going to say but I can't complain that to you because I've currently 3 Europe maps in development , 2 published an 1 abandonned lawl.

Looks like your taste is getting huger and huger, lucas. But be careful, huge maps need much patience and it's harsh to work to get them done. Creating a huge map means you're accepting to put an extremely amount of effort in it.

A thing I also noticed is all the unnecessary black space between the bonus borders. That's a problem which I never have but I'd better tell you my technique to split bonusses while creating clean bonus border shapes. Moros had teached me the ctrl+alt+c technique , maybe you could learn this too?

https://www.warlight.net/Forum/10806-easy-tutorial-making-clean-map-borders

Can I also suggest to edit the French regions like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_France#Reform_and_mergers_of_regions

lol Ox you've gotten so hostile to me lately. What's wrong? That time of the month?


Also I was thinking bonus numbers should be based on actual influence not something as trivial as acres of land or number of territories. Because if a country just subdivided their land into a 1000 states then what? Should their country be worth 1000 armies per turn?

Ox is just pissed at you leaving CORP "without reason" :p

And yeah, you could be correct, but think of it like this :

It's easier to make territories based on the current administrative divisions

It would make the map unbalanced if you gave the places with a higher number of territories (Spain) smaller bonuses and vice versa (Italy). Hence, it's better to do it that way. If you want a map of Europe by "actual influence", try out Issander's Europe by population density.

I would've made that remark to anyone. Complaining about something that can be changed is a waste of time. It's like saying "Why is the light not on yet?" while you stand right next to the switch. Regarding the only other possible instance, the "coming out of the closet one", I was irked that you took that opportunity to feel offended, when nobody else was. It was a good joke. Coupled with the fact that you seem to 1 up everyone, with remarks comparing humans to primates, or implying I'm female, makes it hard for me to believe that you were genuinely offended at all, at the - harmless - joke about making a comment about someone LITERALLY coming out of the closet. To me, it looks like it's negativity wherever possible.

Complaining about something that can be changed is very utile. It can give its critics towards the mapmaker to make it much better of course. Complaints/critics will give you improvements. The mapmaker doesn't know everything what can be improved in his map and hereby he will ask for help on the map development forum. In the thread which the mapmaker created, people will usually give criticism. Criticism is crucial in development proces, don't get me wrong. Acceptable criticism are always followed by improvements.

With Jai's comment was nothing wrong. Lucas will listen to his criticism and hopefully he'll update his mape and create a better balance for bonusses.

If I were the mapmaker I would Jai better be grateful.

It was honest to god just my opinion of the matter and how the map could be made better for a diplomacy based game, which is mostly what I play. I didn't mean to offend the map maker or to give useless criticism if that is what you think Ox. I'm just so sorry I can't be as smart and as wise as you Ox, but hopefully you can train me to be so one day I'll be as great as you.

Death I don't understand why Ox is mad at me even if I left CORP "for no apparent reason". I joined a new clan because they were experimenting with a different form of clan government and I was genuinely interested if I could help them out. We're making great progress btw and everything seems to be going nicely. I wished everyone at CORP good luck and told them I looked forward to playing games with them in the future. I just wanted to be in a clan where every player has more involvement and there was no intention to spite Ox.

Also I was genuinely irked at the dig taken at my clan leader about "coming out of the closet". Maybe I did overreact and that's my bad. I didn't know if the kid would be alright with the "joke" so I naturally just defended him. I have no idea why you inserted yourself into my annoyance with the post though and then had the audacity to bring our respective clans into it.

Just one thing: I'M LOVING IT

I will love you forever if you finish this map lol, I had thought so many times about doing it but I have no time, hope you can finish it in more or less few time :)

And Spain is never overvalued ;)

Oh and also, mail me if you need help for Spanish territories and such, I'd prefer to have them well written.

Edited 11/8/2015 01:39:36

Another Europe map? Really?

I'm just going to put it like this: we don't need another Europe map. We do need many more. If you want to see what I mean, look for a map, one map, besides Eurasia, and world maps, that has both Sakhalin and Hokkaido. It's possible to find one. Then find a good, big (200+ territories) map. That is impossible. Warlight is extremely Eurocentric and this is horrible. Whenever someone is making a World map, they say, oh, it's been done so many times. It's really been done about 4 iterations: Issander's, Second World War, World Diplomacy, and 1.3. We have so many Europe maps, though, it's disgusting, the Eurocentrism.

If you're going to work on a map, do the one maybe with the continent that has more than half the world's population but scarcely 3 maps on Warlight. Sorry if it seems I am aggressive here, but I'm sick of it, nothing towards you personally, but you're just building more of it. Worse still, you're being West Europe-centric; it looks like Europe's centre is in Malmö. What will make your map rise above the others, say 1812, Europe big, Issander's Europe, and Thirty Years?

Edited 11/8/2015 06:35:30

Well, being another map of Europe doesn't automatically make it bad or worse than any other map of the continent. Europe is the continent that has some of the richest history and has a lot of cultural and ethnic diversity, which is why maps of it are so frequently made. Most of the Europe maps are spread out through different periods of history and, so every map has something different going for it and reflects a unique political period

Currently aren't only Modern Europe and Europe Big the only maps that use the modern day municipalities? If so, then I don't think another modern Europe map that is more detailed and has a different look is over-saturating. And that's the appeal of the map - a modern Europe done better.

And what's with the "Eurocentrisism" Is it so terrible that the map is showing a lot of western Europe and that the centre is Malmo. Seriously, if the center was, say Warsaw how would that make the map any better?

Looks great!

look for a map, one map, besides Eurasia, and world maps, that has both Sakhalin and Hokkaido

maps that include Sakhalin and Hokkaido with over 200 territories:

https://www.warlight.net/Map/3937-Detailed-world-map

https://www.warlight.net/Map/13805-Big-World-Map-Remake

https://www.warlight.net/Map/7387-World-Nations-2012

https://www.warlight.net/Map/14770-World-Nations-2014

https://www.warlight.net/Map/19039-World-13kd

https://www.warlight.net/Map/18402-Second-World-War

https://www.warlight.net/Map/16130-Eurasia-Big

https://www.warlight.net/Map/13311-Asia-Diplomacy

https://www.warlight.net/Play?PreviewMap=18331

https://www.warlight.net/Map/3544-Asia-Map

and soon: https://www.warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=38945

Edited 11/8/2015 08:45:10

The black space between the bonusses is to make clear what belongs to what megabonus. Because every region has the same color, I thought some extra space between them would make it easier to see.

I think I will leave the bonusses in France how they are right now, I will have to draw France again when changing the bonusses.

@Belgian, What I meant, was it doesn't even have to be changed by Lucas. What he was complaining about was actually something he could change in the game settings. Lucas made the bonuses comparative to territory count, while Jai wanted it to represent political power, if I'm not mistaken. If he wants that to happen, then he can do it himself! Just change the bonus numbers when making a game. It's not THAT hard.

@Jai

It was honest to god just my opinion of the matter and how the map could be made better for a diplomacy based game, which is mostly what I play. I didn't mean to offend the map maker or to give useless criticism if that is what you think Ox.

Expressing your opinion is fine, but I mean, it's something you can do yourself, and it doesn't have to be changed in the map's core data, if that is what Lucas wants.

I'm just so sorry I can't be as smart and as wise as you Ox, but hopefully you can train me to be so one day I'll be as great as you.

Why do so many people love to be passive aggressive to me?

I have no idea why you inserted yourself into my annoyance with the post though and then had the audacity to bring our respective clans into it.

If you remember, it was actually you that brought clans into it. Not me.

Edited 11/8/2015 12:57:00

Haha, looks great!

I don't know if anyone brought this up yet, but proportions are very off.

It looks like you enlarged the X-axis without doing the same with the Y-axis

look for a map, one map, besides Eurasia, and world maps, that has both Sakhalin and Hokkaido


maps that include Sakhalin and Hokkaido with over 200 territories:

https://www.warlight.net/Map/3937-Detailed-world-map

https://www.warlight.net/Map/13805-Big-World-Map-Remake

https://www.warlight.net/Map/7387-World-Nations-2012

https://www.warlight.net/Map/14770-World-Nations-2014

https://www.warlight.net/Map/19039-World-13kd

https://www.warlight.net/Map/18402-Second-World-War

https://www.warlight.net/Map/16130-Eurasia-Big

https://www.warlight.net/Map/13311-Asia-Diplomacy

https://www.warlight.net/Play?PreviewMap=18331

https://www.warlight.net/Map/3544-Asia-Map

and soon: https://www.warlight.net/SinglePlayer?PreviewMap=38945

Only 2, and that map of Asia sucks.

Edited 11/10/2015 01:15:57

that map of Asia sucks.
Qi is always an underrated mapmaker.

While this is a magnificent map, do we really need ANOTHER Europe map?