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Who gets first move?: 2/27/2011 22:44:55

bombfrog 
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This is what it says in the help...

"Each turn, the players are randomized into a new move order. Each player's first order is executed in this random order, then each player's second order, and each player's third.

This means that you always have a 50% chance that your first order will happen before your opponents first order.

For the next round of attacks, the order is reversed so the last player in the first round gets the first move in the second round. It then reverses again for the third round, and so on. "


But if you look at this game, turns 2,3,4,5 I was chasing Khan round the board and he was getting first go each time, without playing any priority cards...

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx

SO, is this a bug, or have I misunderstood?
Who gets first move?: 2/27/2011 22:50:59

This Guy 
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Your link isn't to a specific game.
Who gets first move?: 2/27/2011 22:52:37


NecessaryEagle 
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just good luck I think
Who gets first move?: 2/27/2011 22:53:03

bombfrog 
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Who gets first move?: 2/27/2011 22:53:37

Fizzer 
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To link a game, you have to open the Settings panel and copy the "Link to Game" section.

But I suspect the answer to your question is that you misunderstood. 50% chance means that it will be re-randomized each turn, not that it alternates turns.

If you flip a coin four times, that does not guarantee you that you'll get two heads and two tails. There's a chance you'll get four heads.
Who gets first move?: 2/27/2011 22:54:44

bombfrog 
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Ah right, I've confused this bit...

"For the next round of attacks, the order is reversed so the last player in the first round gets the first move in the second round."]


That doesn't mean that if grey gets first move on turn 1 that I get it on turn 2 :(
Who gets first move?: 2/27/2011 22:56:02


NecessaryEagle 
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thereis no turn 5..... so he went first 3 times in a row. the chance of that happening is: .5*.5*.5=.123 or 1/8, so not THAT uncommon
Who gets first move?: 2/27/2011 22:57:20

bombfrog 
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I understand that now, but it sounded like it was supposed to alternate.
Who gets first move?: 2/28/2011 02:04:56

Pinkbladder
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on turn one lets say you make three orders in a head to head game and by chance you get first move. so on turn one the orders will be ABBAAB. on turn two lets say you get it again itll be ABBAAB. on turn 3 lets say he gets first move itll be BAABBA.
Who gets first move?: 2/28/2011 02:43:34

Dragons 
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"For the next round of attacks, the order is reversed so the last player in the first round gets the first move in the second round. It then reverses again for the third round, and so on. "

You are confusing "rounds of attacks" and "turns". In this description, "rounds" are not turns, they are the series of moves you've programmed in for a specific turn.
Who gets first move?: 2/28/2011 19:00:29


Duke 
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In a current 4 player game of mine (2x2) the same guy went first 5 times in a row: .25x.25x.25x.25x.25 = .000976 -- that's about 1 in 1000. Considering it's small earth it particularly sucks
Who gets first move?: 2/28/2011 19:18:50


Matma Rex 
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He went first, or he went before you?
Who gets first move?: 2/28/2011 19:58:15


Duke 
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"the same guy went first"
Who gets first move?: 2/28/2011 20:01:05


Perrin3088 
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seems fizzer already answered this, but I'll reiterate.

each turn the order is randomly decided, it has no relevance to the order of the prior turn.
Who gets first move?: 2/28/2011 22:45:47

The Impaller 
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Your confusion is mixing the terminology of Rounds and Turns. FBG-Dragon's answer is the one that solves the mix up.
Who gets first move?: 2/28/2011 22:57:21


Perrin3088 
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yeah you're right.. what he ""d was describing the abbaab system, which affects the order of orders within a turn, then there is a new random start for the next turn which then will go back and forth.
Who gets first move?: 3/1/2011 15:22:39


Duke 
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It's still f-cking annoying and I can complain about it. But that you for the statistics 101 explanation that flipping a coin is 50% odds each time (less odds of it landing perpendicular to the floor or gravity ceasing to operate).

Oh and he went first 6 times in a row, so 1 in 5000 odds of that occurring and yes, 25% odds each individual turn. He's gone before me 9 turns in a row and counting which is only 1 in 500 odds. This turn it will actually decide the game whether he goes before me.

http://warlight.net/MultiPlayer.aspx?GameID=1209643
Who gets first move?: 3/1/2011 15:32:20


Duke 
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"that" = "thanks"
Who gets first move?: 3/1/2011 15:41:19


crafty35a 
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It's certainly annoying when that happens, but I think it's better than the alternative. The other way to handle it would be to reverse the order every turn, but then you would have to try to constantly keep track of who got first move last turn, and I don't think that would add any fun to the game (it would actually make it less fun, for me).
Who gets first move?: 3/1/2011 16:35:31


Duke 
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I agree. But what I've asked Randy to implement is randomizing which team goes first and then alternating between (or among) teams, such that in a 5x5 it would be impossible to have all 5 players on Team A go before Team B. Or even ABBCCDD (where in a 2x2 whichever team got 1st move also gets last move). The present system produces too many games decided by turn order. Especially on a small world, no fog map.

Maybe there's a solution for two team games only and games with 3+ teams continue to be randomized across all players. But the present system is too imbalanced.

I bleieve Randy had this on his update list awhile back...
Who gets first move?: 3/1/2011 17:33:08


Perrin3088 
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I always imagined *never tested* that team games would go abABBAba capitals being the second teammate of the same letter... so that Team A gets 1st and 3rd on first move, and Team B gets 1st and 3rd on 2nd move.
Who gets first move?: 3/1/2011 17:54:09


Duke 
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That is not how it works. It's randomized among all players every turn and ignores teams.
Who gets first move?: 3/1/2011 20:56:53

Fizzer 
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I plan to make the move order function team-aware when the 2v2 ladder eventually launched.
Who gets first move?: 3/1/2011 21:07:21


Perrin3088 
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Duke, i had never bothered to test, I had just assumed.. you know what they say about when you assume right? lol.
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