(warning people reading it part of it comes from a chat)

Am I an hypocrite Juq? then you are my master.

The Baas thing was kinda funny since you kept arguing for pointless spelling (I really dont care actually how Baas is spelt, but I wanted to let it flow while I was telling you my story of Syria, and read your mere attempt to convince me that Baas is actually spelt Ba'ath, do you think common people care that much of it really?).

Same thing goes for the whole temperature debate, while you say -8 is the best temperature, and I replied that temperatures below 0 were not suitable for humans, but well because your opinion only counts (logic fallacies as you say), you couuld not admit you were wrong even if you are denying basic logics and works that were made about it.
Oh and just for you, I suggest you to take a look on it:




And I dont really care that you would be kinder if I read what is written in your website, I already told you that if you want to learn how to express yourself and argue correctly, read the works of rhetorical masters of Ancient Greece, these are trustwhorthy works, not a random website with questionnable sources.


Oh and please next time use layout and spacing that separate sections (that also applies to Colonel). It is quite boring to read your paragraphs.

like for example, the attack on Gleinwitz, Poland was invading a sovereign country and the Germans needed to retaliate. Or that Libyan shot up an American ship in a no-trespassing zone, past what was officially called the Deathline. Of course, no negotiations here - shoot some Libyans, we are too angry to negotiate.

"You purposefully waged combat against our troops."

"Take it easy, let's talk about this."

Wat. If you punch me and/or take my belongings, you are getting punched and I am taking my belongings back, friend. Nobody did any talking or gave any ground pre-conflict. Why, then, should the afflicted be forced to negotiate?

I'm not a Nationalist, nor am I patriotic, but that doesn't mean I am against everything the US got involved in. That is not to say I like everything the country does.

Iraq - Dumbest move the country made while I am living.

Libya - Civil war. Why get involved there? Well, oil is the answer, I know that, but really...

Syria - Uses chemical weapons on civilians. The US and the UN does practically nothing.

Iran - State funder of terrorism, openly stated that there will be no Israel in 25 years, has helped in killing US troops. Let's give them access to nuclear usage, and let's let them "check on themselves." Let's give them a 24 day notice as to when we go over to check things, and let's grant them private sectors that we are not allowed to look in.
10/10 best deal ever - IGN

Manifest Destiny Expansionism - Why? Native (North) Americans are cool.

Syria - Uses chemical weapons on civilians. The US and the UN does practically nothing.

President Obama would of had a very difficult time getting Congress to work with him regarding intervention in Syria. Add on the fact that Russia is heavily backing the Syrian government and you have a paralyzed United States who is not likely to do anything.

Also, does anyone honestly expect the UN to do something useful? Doing practically nothing might as well be added to their charter at this point.

Iran - State funder of terrorism, openly stated that there will be no Israel in 25 years, has helped in killing US troops. Let's give them access to nuclear usage, and let's let them "check on themselves." Let's give them a 24 day notice as to when we go over to check things, and let's grant them private sectors that we are not allowed to look in.

Only a dirty,conservative, Republican would talk bad about the Iran deal.

Only a dirty,conservative, Republican would talk bad about the Iran deal.

I really hope that's sarcasm.

On another note:

"You have called the UN. To leave a message, press 1. To have something be done, call the US."

France has stepped up recently, though. As has Australia, so that jokes is getting a little outdated.

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I really hope that's sarcasm.

It was sarcasm. I don't make a habit of insulting myself. (Not really a Republican, but I am conservative on 50-60% of issues.)

Although expressing ANY conservative views on the internet often gets you a response similar to what I posted.

Ah, thank God.

The Baas thing was kinda funny since you kept arguing for pointless spelling (I really dont care actually how Baas is spelt, but I wanted to let it flow while I was telling you my story of Syria, and read your mere attempt to convince me that Baas is actually spelt Ba'ath, do you think common people care that much of it really?).

Well, I don't think common folk would be so stubborn and refusing of truths, you insist on being below average, though.

Same thing goes for the whole temperature debate, while you say -8 is the best temperature, and I replied that temperatures below 0 were not suitable for humans, but well because your opinion only counts (logic fallacies as you say), you couuld not admit you were wrong even if you are denying basic logics and works that were made about it.
Oh and just for you, I suggest you to take a look on it:

Well, it's about time, of course I'm not going to believe what you say when you say "it's been proven that below 0 temperatures are bad" and I ask "Show me" and you don't show a thing until now, and it shows a mediocre graph using Fahrenheit and feet? Here is better.




As shown, -15 is not dangerous unless it's really windy (45 kph, that means you're going to have a tough time holding your umbrella). I might have said -25 to 15, was the optimal range (I think it was -15, though), folk who live in the consistently -25 to -20 places know, though: don't expose your skin.

Sevilla: Average summer high (cold is not the problem) of 35 with average 40% humidity (Great discomfort, avert exertion)
Anadyr: Average spring low (hot is not the problem) of -25 with average 25 kph windspeed (frostbite in exposed areas in 30 minutes)
Minsk: Average spring low (hot is not the problem) of -5 with average 10 kph windspeed.

And the thing is, you can keep putting on clothes, but you have a maximum amount of clothes that you can take off. And Minsk is not a cold borough. And what every person likes varies from person to person.

Happy winter (October 1 soon :))

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Juq, you are as similar as Callicles, the one that want to be right even if the logic is against him: you show your arrogance, and has no moderation in your comments (and you were telling me about how to be polite ah).

And right now in the chat, you are again trying to argue about how Galicia (the Spanish Province) is spelled, you are again asserting according to yourself (nobody else and no solid arguments) that it is Galiza, whereas Spanish people in this chat are telling you you are wrong, even if you check by yourself you would see that we called that province GALICIA in English not GALIZA, here is a reliable source (something that you are sadly not able to provide each time):

Galicia

Pronunciation: /ɡəˈlɪsɪə/
/ɡəˈlɪʃə/ /ɡaˈlisja/
Pronunciation: /ɡaˈliθja/

1 An autonomous region and former kingdom of NW Spain; capital, Santiago de Compostela.
2 A region of east central Europe, north of the Carpathian Mountains. A former province of Austria, it now forms part of SE Poland and western Ukraine.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Galicia


And again about temperatures, stop being stubborn, we were discussing about which temperature is suitable for humans, and which would be the best for living, -15 is not suitable, any below 0, because the human body is consuming more energy to regulate its internal temperature. And if you want to ignore my sources and posts, then I will ignore yours. I just posted for you a table very clear showing you (in fahrenheit sadly) which temperatures are suitable or not. What you posted is a Canadian indicator of EXTREME temperature, you would notice that the warm extreme and cold extreme tables do not show temperatures between 5 and 22, why? because this is just an indicative table of what extreme weather the human body can endure.

Did you finally get the point? Here again my dear Callicles, you are wrong.

(this whole silly off topic debate is over here)

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Tyrion go play with children of your age in the sandbox would you.

Koala:

Jaq could out debate you with one hand.

Secondly, this entire arguement has become silly.

Thank you for supporting me even though your opinion differs, this is much more than what many folk could truthfully say they did. But...

A debate with hands is called a fistfight :)

Also, Eklipse and Martian are being somewhat mindly as they usually are, they are usually fine to argue with.

Koala, I'm going to mark each logic fallacy you have with a number annotation.

Juq, you are as similar as Callicles, the one that want to be right even if the logic is against him: you show your arrogance, and has no moderation in your comments (and you were telling me about how to be polite ah).

You want to something I started doing just out of interest while you were gone? I offered Ion Antonescu a proper debate using the 10 most important logic rules and said that each time he broke one of those rules, I would take away a point from him (-1). I started doing the same to you, but it quickly became too much to count casually. Though I did not run Ion's experiment for long (nor note the logic fallacies by each word), I bet your overall logic fallacies by each word is higher than Ion's formal debating.

I'm not afraid of making sharp phrases that are logic fallacies when I'm dealing with you, since I know that I can't top you in logic fallacy making (congratulations).

I assume Callicles is someone that the ancient Greeks hated as much as those pesky dragons in Ethiopia, so you have to insult me to further your argument (that's a logic fallacy). Second of all, of course you think you're right when you're arguing your point - you very rarely argue when you think you're wrong, and as I explained to you in the chat - the grounds why we can't say something like "Why are you arguing when you're wrong?", besides that it's very self-centred, is that a whole argument can use only this sentence by both sides, and I suspect that this argument would convince noone.

It's ok to be against logic, as Oxford says to us:
Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity

Principles of validity change - in some Muslim majority countries, the principles of validity are highlighted in the Quran, and there is a mindset that women are inferior and weaker and should not think for themselves in many countries, most UN governmentally enforced by Arabia (women can't drive, even). I'm not saying they're right or the equal gender rights countries are right here, but one of them has to be wrong. So, Callicles so far is not in the wrong, as you're describing him to me.

And right now in the chat, you are again trying to argue about how Galicia (the Spanish Province) is spelled, you are again asserting according to yourself (nobody else and no solid arguments) that it is Galiza, whereas Spanish people in this chat are telling you you are wrong, even if you check by yourself you would see that we called that province GALICIA in English not GALIZA, here is a reliable source (something that you are sadly not able to provide each time):

You're just going to bring up everything in the chat? Ok, how about let's ask the community about what word they would use: Ba'athism or your "Baas". Just since there are Castillan* folk there doesn't give them a doctorate in Spanish* geographic names, they can be wrong. Also, you notice how I said they were Castillan? Well, here, I use the word "Castillan" to mean being of the majority ethnicity and speaking the tongue of the old Castillan Kingdom, Spanish is a more vague word in the sense I'm using it - of or relating to Spain. Look this up in your Oxford if this is confusing you.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Castilian
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Spanish

Anyhow, so they can't even really have much of this automatic doctorate since they're Castillan, not Galizan. Nobody else? That's odd, isn't it? An idiot and 2 Spanish nationalists and me, I'm glad we're not in a democracy together. The first American comes along, and he says that Galiza is an acceptable name, so I'm not even alone, as you claim.

As for my "no solid arguments", you want to know what my solid arguments are? The Galizan/Portuguese tongue, which is the majority tongue in Galiza. Your solid argument(s) until this point? A tongue that's a minority tongue in the region? Well, might as well start calling Poland "Pol'sha" since Belarusian is a minority tongue there, or perhaps Belgium as "Belgien" since German is minority tongue there.

It's not sad if someone can't provide a source, and also, I was wondering when you were going to start including more sources in your quarreling replies, if ever, since that's one of your constant criticisms. (Actually, I was more than just wondering, I was very anxious, I started crying, Koala, why won't you put sources with your otherwise hypocritic comments? I was very mournful at the burial of using sources, but now I am so euphoric that you have used a source, even two! The sources have been resurrected!)

Anyhow, I don't doubt that Galicia is a valid name for the region, but just since it's valid doesn't mean it's better or good to use at all, f.e. in the English-speaking world, nigger. Also, you don't use a flipping dictionary as an encyclopaedia. You won't get very far in any field. A diaologue to show:

- Hmm, I wonder what Karkalpakstan is, I better look it up in the Oxford. Oh, not there, guess it's not a word.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakalpakstan
- http://www.britannica.com/place/Karakalpakstan

- Hmm, I wonder what a "Moskal" is, I better look it up in the Oxford. Oh, not there, guess it's not a word.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moskal
- http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Moskal

-Hmm, I wonder what "trinitroglycerine" is, I better look it up in the Oxford. Oh, not there, guess it's not a word.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitroglycerin
- http://www.encyclopedia.com/article-1G2-3441700127/nitroglycerin.html

Anyhow, here is Galiza. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Galiza&redirect=no and a Castillan source http://www.lavozdegalicia.es/galicia/2008/06/08/0003_6886803.htm saying that Galizan province officially is Galicia, but who calls Taiwan "China"? And they say that it is ok to call it Galiza, as well.

I think Galiza is a better word since there is no confusion with Galicia, which is a region in Poland, ok? Easy grounds to understand, I hope.

And again about temperatures, stop being stubborn, we were discussing about which temperature is suitable for humans, and which would be the best for living, -15 is not suitable, any below 0, because the human body is consuming more energy to regulate its internal temperature.

Uh-oh, I don't see sources, I'm going to cry again...

Anyhow, stop being stubborn? You're telling me that? About this argument in which noone was really trying (I hope) which would have been forgotten, like Baas-Ba'ath and Galicia-Galiza if you, definitely not stubborn, had not brought it up? You claim I must always be right, but why are you brining up dead, unresolved arguments, then?

Anyhow, what do you mean the body is consuming energy? God forbid my body consume energy to give body heat. Yes, being naked in colder temperature against being naked in hot temperature, your body will make more body heat in the cold temperature, you don't have to graduate to know that. But your body doesn't need to make much more heat if you just put on a jacket or sweater, maybe even less heat than a yearly relatively cool day in Hotown.

Americans must be living in pretty cold climate, since they eat a high Calorie amount by each head.

And if you want to ignore my sources and posts, then I will ignore yours. I just posted for you a table very clear showing you (in fahrenheit sadly) which temperatures are suitable or not. What you posted is a Canadian indicator of EXTREME temperature, you would notice that the warm extreme and cold extreme tables do not show temperatures between 5 and 22, why? because this is just an indicative table of what extreme weather the human body can endure.

I acknowledged your table, I said it was shabby (in fahrenheit, better wipe off the tears)and gave new ones, that are most likely better, though I'm not going to say that they are better since this is a logic fallacy and just arrogant in general, sounds like something you'd do.

You're welcome to find a reliable cold table that takes in comfort as well, I could not find one by light searching. And this doesn't show what whether you can endure, just shows you dangerously cold the weather is, like your graph. And my heat table? It's not of what you can "endure", so what have you to say for that?

And it's not indicating 5-22 since you can't accurately measure comfort in this case to the nearest tenth.

Did you finally get the point? Here again my dear Callicles, you are wrong.

Has your arrogance no limits? This is why I stopped counting your logic fallacies, since it seems it doesn't, and why bother counting something infinite, such as this or your dumbness?

Tyrion go play with children of your age in the sandbox would you.

Koala, no! Don't throw your rattle at Tyrion, that's not nice, tyke, is it?

Just take a picture of your floor, or easier, screenshot a bit of something that would be pretty tedious to replicate.

Just in a very mutli-element video game, screenshot a random moment ingame, it's probably not going to get recorded by anyone and you will have your own.

Xapy, I was able to go to your profile page and save your pic onto my computer, then upload it as my own. This troll going around has access to any image the real Irony has as his pic.

I'm sorry, Irony.

Well, Martian, I do provide a pretty easy link to the picture. And crap, looks like it's easier than I thought.

We just have to wait until Fizzer gets the reports and does something about this.

The only way to do anything would be to ban duplicate images, but then, a minor edit would change the code of the image, and it would be impossible to tell by the eye the difference. The only good solution would be to remove repeat name accounts, but that probably won't happen. Just a basic partial screenshot of the image on the profile page would work to steal someone else's image.

Didn't see this bit before.

Oh God no. Don't tell me you seriously subscribe to this. The 9/11 inside job conspiracy theory is one of the most cynical,paranoid, pieces of nonsense in the world of conspiracy theories.

I don't parade it as undeniable truth, as some do, but yes, I do "subscribe" to this. Martian, this is what I was talking about with the American taboo of doubt to this. So Eklipse, what do you think of the American plans of false flag deeds in the 1960s (including a terrorist attack) in order to get grounds for war on Cuba?

You need to learn the difference between Nationalism, and Patriotism. There's nothing wrong with having a little pride in you country or being willing to defend it as long as you don't go overboard and start thinking your nation superior to the world.

Both are bad, in my opinion, at the risk of sounding more anarchial to you than I am now, I say that these are just built by the governments so that they have a folk that does not revolt, that will help the government, and that will potentially die for the government.

Nationalism just means "extreme patriotism", according to Oxford. The difference in meanings is not great (hyponym? hypernym? I forget the relations), so I don't bother using them by meaning, but by connotation. Nationalism is negative, while patriotism is positive, and unpatriotic can even be used as an insult (I'm unpatriotic and proud though, like the gays :)).

In addition, it's a bit absurd to imply that defending the U.S automatically makes someone a nationalist.

It's not just one time; serially defending the same country without much provocation, it could be just concentrated anti-[country]-ism and this country's defendant is just trying to make sure each country doesn't get blame they don't deserve.

But I doubt it.

Edited 10/1/2015 04:12:48