This is my first qualifying, it's exciting to play against high ranked players. I'm good at diplos, but I have to learn a lot in this small earth 1v1. Good luck for everyone!

one small comment though. The aim of the P/r league was for players to judge where they fit in over a few seasons, but this wont really be the case if top players are regularly joining and being placed in the bottom division.
Will the league at some point become closed and only bring in new players when existing ones drop out?

Can you join me in next season or whenever.

one small comment though. The aim of the P/r league was for players to judge where they fit in over a few seasons, but this wont really be the case if top players are regularly joining and being placed in the bottom division.
Will the league at some point become closed and only bring in new players when existing ones drop out?

You would need to wait a couple seasons, so new people could know about it, but after season 5 or so, then you could close it.

Edited 9/3/2015 20:43:45

one small comment though. The aim of the P/r league was for players to judge where they fit in over a few seasons, but this wont really be the case if top players are regularly joining and being placed in the bottom division.
Will the league at some point become closed and only bring in new players when existing ones drop out?

My thoughts on this would be to make the expansion group (Group E) always be a qualifying group. That way new players could promote quickly (e.g. winner goes directly into Group A, 2nd-3rd move dierectly to Group B. Also, top players in each group would super-promote (go up 2 divisions rather than just 1) and bottom players will double relegate (drop 2 divisions). This way the league will sort itself out fairly quickly.

I can only host 5 tournaments at once, so at this stage I am limited to only 5 divisions. Ideally, you wouldn't want more than about 10-12 players in any given division, as the seasons would start to drag on for quite a while. If 5 divisions all had their maximum (12 players), 60 players would be the overall league maximum. Once we reach that, it will be a closed league, and new players would be put on a waiting list for when someone drops out.

We are currently sitting at 42 players, with another 4 looking to join next season, so I'd say it will only be 2-3 seasons before we reach capacity.

Another thought I have been considering is to finish each season with a 16-player single elimination tournament consisting as follows:

Top 7 players from Group A.
Top 5 players from Group B.
Top 2 players from Group C.
Top 1 player from Group D.
Top 1 player from Group E.

The winner of this tournament (rather than the winner of Group A) would be crowned League Champion. That way a recently-joined good player would still have a chance to take out the League title even though they aren't in Group A yet.

The results of this tournament would not influence promotion/relegation, as that is decided by the round-robin tournaments.

This tournament would have a 1 day 1 hour boot time with vacations honoured. Declined players will be replaced by the next highest ranked player from their group.

For season 1 this tournament would consist of the top 4 players from each group.

Edited 9/3/2015 23:33:12

Replying tthe message sent to league participants:

1) > Promotion/Relegation for the end of Season 1. I've mentioned several ideas on the thread...

The last proposal looks good to me (your post from 9/3/2015 00:53:28)

2) > Settings for future seasons. Boot times, vacations honoured/dishonoured, number of games at once, etc.

I personally prefer boot time of 3 days, even though games may take a bit too long. 1 day + banking up to 2-3 days would work as well for me (e.g. to let people take a weekend off, if they made their moves fast during the week). Number of games at once can be "all games" as far as I'm concerned, that should speed things up a bit; maps are small, moves should not take that much time to make.

3) > Overall league numbers. My thought is a maximum of 5 groups with 12 players in each group for a total of 60 players. New players will only be admitted if current players leave.

60 players seems reasonable enough. But to keep the league alive need to strictly kick anyone who was booted or did not accept tourney invitation within X days. Maybe also kick the last couple of players form the last group, to let some new blood in every season.

Edited 9/4/2015 09:20:19

Thanks for your thoughts mslasm, I've had mixed responses about limiting league numbers, but more than 12 players in each group starts to get a bit too big I think, and also I can only host 5 tournaments at once, so unless someone else takes on a couple, that's the maximum.

I think people would more prefer a quick turn around between seasons to keep the interest going. a 16 player tourny is going to take some time to complete.
Also on that point, those in tier A have earnt their way there and the winner of that division deserves the title in my opinion.

I agree with indibob about winner of tier A should be the champion.

Though about this whole quick relegation and dropping multiple groups after the first or second season seems bad to me. why promote from group B knowing that the competition in group A will mean you will come last and drop down to D or beyond? They might lose games on purpose to come 2nd or 3rd.

Edited 9/4/2015 17:21:37

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> why promote from group B

Well, this is not "the real world" where players get paid better in group B than in group D, I guess the point is to climb the ladder for kind of bragging rights of being in group A and a chance to fight better players? You can't fall below group C anyhow, and the only drawback of a likely few extra losses in group A is a bit worse 1v1 stats, but if you care that much about it why bother with a tourney which has other competitive players?

For season 1 rules are IMHO perfect, for future seasons when players will be better sorted maybe adjust a bit and demote max 1 player from A to C?

No you move up 1-2 groups (if at bottom) and if towards top you move up 1.

Demotions drop you down 1 leage thats simple....



Look at the other P/R league. Its on its 17th season so you might find its rules helpful.

BTW, need a tie-breaking rule, e.g. a mini tourney (in group B there may be a 3-way tie, where player A loses to player B, B to C and C to A, and they all win all their other matches), With current rules this is not a problem as top 3 progress to the same group, but need a rule for the future

Check P/R league for 1v1 ME


They have a whole page of rules for tie breakers

Thanks Master Turtle, I've had a good look at their rules and will probably adopt the tie-break rules they use.

The P/R I have proposed is for season 1 only, as this is really a setting-up season. For future seasons, you will only be able to promote 1 group/relegate 1 group.

I agree that a separate tournament to decided League Champion would delay the season, however, this could actually be played during the course of the next season. If everyone is happy with the Group A champion being League Champion, then that's what we'll have. This was once again mainly for season 1 so that those players not assigned to Group A would have an equal chance of winning.

Dont have a seperate champion... Maybe just wait 3 seasons or something to start giving out champion titles. (Give enough seasons for whoever is in lowest group to take 1st each time and be champion) That is the point when league champion should be used.


OR..... Do it like the other P/R. Every group winner is a league champion got season 1. Promotions get done slightly different and then from there on Group A winner will always be league champ.

Group B is nearly finished, and the other groups are well on the way, too

Given the P/R for 10-player groups next season, who do you think will promote/relegate at the end of season 1?

Here is the P/R table for a guide:

 
	A	B	Q1	Q2
	   
A	5	3	1	1
	   
B	3	3	2	2
	   
C	2	2	3	3

D	0	2	4	4
   
E	0	0	1	1

Edited 9/8/2015 11:14:59

I have decided to adopt the rules used in the Promotion/Relegation League, as they are well thought out and seem fair. Here is a link to their thread for those who aren't aware of that league:
https://www.warlight.net/Forum/106960-promotionrelegation-league-season-16

As we have larger groups (10 rather than 7 per group) there will be 3 promotions and 3 relegations in each group rather than 2. However, this will only start in Season 2. For Season 1, P/R will stay as written above.

Boot times will remain at 3 days, and you will still play 5 games at once, but starting next season vacations will be honoured.

New players will start in Group E, and inactive players will only be able to re-enter the league in the bottom group.

Edited 9/8/2015 11:12:09

Once each group is finalized I'll put out a rough draft of next season's groups for you to approve. So please check the forum as the season wraps up.

Edited 9/8/2015 11:11:34